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CajunBlazer

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18. Why the Sandinista Government was the group of saints Bernie described
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:35 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:08 PM - Edit history (1)

I could not remember why the US government was so concerned about the Sandinista government back in the 1980's. I listened to the entire clip and evidently Bernie Sanders thought that they all about helping the Nicaraguan people. I began reading up on the subject and came across this entry on the Sandinista's in Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_National_Liberation_Front

Sure enough much of the entry described some of the programs Sanders described. It appeared that the Sandinista government did have many good programs. But then came across a section about how the Sandinista government aligned itself with the Cuban communist government of Fidel Castro. Now remember this was at the height of the cold war so that gave me some insight into our government's concern. But at the time Reagan was President so figured that our government may well have been overreacting. Remember it was under Reagan that Ollie North ran drugs in South America to covertly fund the Contras, so their judgement can't be trusted. Then I came across this section in the Wikipedia entry.

Relationship with eastern bloc intelligence agencies

According to Cambridge University historian Christopher Andrew, who undertook the task of processing the Mitrokhin Archive, Carlos Fonseca Amador, one of the original three founding members of the FSLN had been recruited by the KGB in 1959 while on a trip to Moscow. This was one part of Aleksandr Shelepin's 'grand strategy' of using national liberation movements as a spearhead of the Soviet Union's foreign policy in the Third World, and in 1960 the KGB organized funding and training for twelve individuals that Fonseca handpicked. These individuals were to be the core of the new Sandinista organization. In the following several years, the FSLN tried with little success to organize guerrilla warfare against the government of Luis Somoza Debayle. After several failed attempts to attack government strongholds and little initial support from the local population, the National Guard nearly annihilated the Sandinistas in a series of attacks in 1963. Disappointed with the performance of Shelepin's new Latin American "revolutionary vanguard", the KGB reconstituted its core of the Sandinista leadership into the ISKRA group and used them for other activities in Latin America.

According to Andrew, Mitrokhin says during the following three years the KGB handpicked several dozen Sandinistas for intelligence and sabotage operations in the United States. Andrew and Mitrokhin say that in 1966, this KGB-controlled Sandinista sabotage and intelligence group was sent to northern Mexico near the US border to conduct surveillance for possible sabotage.[82]

In July 1961 during the Berlin Crisis of 1961 KGB chief Alexander Shelepin sent a memorandum to Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev containing proposals to create a situation in various areas of the world which would favor dispersion of attention and forces by the US and their satellites, and would tie them down during the settlement of the question of a German peace treaty and West Berlin. It was planned, inter alia, to organize an armed mutiny in Nicaragua in coordination with Cuba and with the "Revolutionary Front Sandino". Shelepin proposed to make appropriations from KGB funds in addition to the previous assistance $10,000 for purchase of arms.

Khrushchev sent the memo with his approval to his deputy Frol Kozlov and on August 1 it was, with minor revisions, passed as a CPSU Central Committee directive. The KGB and the Soviet Ministry of Defense were instructed to work out more specific measures and present them for consideration by the Central Committee.[83]

Cooperation with foreign intelligence agencies during the 1980s

Other researchers have documented the contribution made from other Warsaw Pact intelligence agencies to the fledgling Sandinista government including the East German Stasi, by using recently declassified documents from Berlin[84] as well as from former Stasi spymaster Markus Wolf who described the Stasi's assistance in the creation of a secret police force modeled on East Germany's.[85]


This gave me some insight as to why our intelligence might have believed that the Sandinistas might have been a tool of the Soviet Union as it tried to spread its influence and political control in South America.

Also in another part of the Wikipedia article I learned the Sandinista government wasn't above dealing harshly with their political enemies. In section of the Wikipedia entry called "Civil Rights Violations" I found this:

Time magazine in 1983 published reports of human rights violations in an article which stated that "According to Nicaragua's Permanent Commission on Human Rights, the regime detains several hundred people a month; about half of them are eventually released, but the rest simply disappear." Time also interviewed a former deputy chief of Nicaraguan military counterintelligence, who stated that he had fled Nicaragua after being ordered to kill 800 Miskito prisoners and make it look like they had died in combat.[107] Another article described Sandinista neighbourhood "Defense Committees", modeled on similar Cuban Committees for the Defense of the Revolution, which according to critics were used to unleash mobs on anyone who was labeled a counterrevolutionary. Nicaragua's only opposition newspaper, La Prensa, was subject to strict censorship. The newspaper's editors were forbidden to print anything negative about the Sandinistas either at home or abroad.[107]

There's more on civil rights violations in the piece; you can read it for yourself if you would like. The bottom line is that back at the time of Sanders' visit to Nicaragua, the Sandinista Government wasn't exactly the group of saints which Bernie described in the interview.

Thanks for posting this.. monicaangela Mar 2016 #1
Thank you for the.... Armstead Mar 2016 #4
Watched this last night, Lans Mar 2016 #2
I wish he had a chance to talk this comprehensively today on the national level Armstead Mar 2016 #3
Kicking to watch later. myrna minx Mar 2016 #5
"fascinating" is one word for it Armstead Mar 2016 #6
I'm looking forward to it. Thank for posting. myrna minx Mar 2016 #7
Rock the Casbah Armstead Mar 2016 #8
If wish someone would ask Hillary directly if she supported arming the contras. myrna minx Mar 2016 #9
"I'll have to study and discuss that further." Armstead Mar 2016 #12
Wow, great video! I could not stop watching! DLnyc Mar 2016 #10
His breadth of knowledge is amazing Armstead Mar 2016 #11
K&R dana_b Mar 2016 #13
Thanks! Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #14
This is why he's the only candidate fit to be President! ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #15
This video should be required viewing, if you want a true grasp on where Bernie has long Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #16
+ 1,000 suffragette Mar 2016 #23
Brilliant! Kicked and recced! Arazi Mar 2016 #17
Why the Sandinista Government was the group of saints Bernie described CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #18
He emphasized that they had their issues -- His point was that it was none of our business Armstead Mar 2016 #19
"It's no big secret that (the Sandinistas) were aligned with the Soviet Union' CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #20
Now you're starting to sound like Ollie North Armstead Mar 2016 #21
I detest Oliver North CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #22
The Sandinistas were the only government in Nicaraguan history that ever helped workers and the poor Ken Burch Mar 2016 #26
When high ranking members of a government are were recruitred by the KGB CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #27
The people of Nicaragua wanted that revolution. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #33
Yes, CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #39
So what if they did? Ken Burch Mar 2016 #41
The Soviets were smart and we were greedy and stupid Armstead Mar 2016 #51
Bernie never called them angels chknltl Mar 2016 #25
So how did we get of topic and start discussing Iraq? CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #30
Point missed: You are passing along a deadly meme chknltl Mar 2016 #35
No the truth is that I didn't read all of your post CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #37
You cite wiki as your source? chknltl Mar 2016 #48
You're right, even though you didn't read the Wikipedia article did you? CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #49
Can you post another source on this? About sandinista terrorists trained to attack the usa? flamingdem Mar 2016 #40
Sure, no problem CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #44
You shouldn't be spreading this around because it's not relevant to the Sandinistas of the 1980s flamingdem Mar 2016 #46
This is the account of a historical scholar who studied... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #50
There are several scholars who refute the Fonseca claims and Bernie did flamingdem Mar 2016 #52
Sounds like an academic squable to me. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #53
You will not find proof that the Sandinistas were doing anything of the kind in 1985 flamingdem Mar 2016 #54
KnR and I have not watched it yet chknltl Mar 2016 #24
Yep, that's our Bernie! I stand by him there.... chknltl Mar 2016 #29
Thanks very much Armstead. He is clearly a very bright individual, well versed in world affairs. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #28
You obviously didn't read my posts above. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #31
They are a sovereign nation with a democratic system of government. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #36
Oh really. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #38
"like the Nazis" JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #42
Since you appear unaware of the "dark side" of the Sandinistas... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #43
Yeah Armstead Mar 2016 #45
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #32
Great share, Thank you Marcella Proux Mar 2016 #34
Kick !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #47
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