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2016 Postmortem

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H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:22 PM Mar 2016

Old Man Looking [View all]

“Old man, look at my life
I’m a lot like you were.”
-- Neil Young


I attempt -- at least once a day -- to look objectively at the Democratic primary process, and evaluate how it will impact the Democratic National Convention …..which will then impact the presidential election in November. This morning, on Face Book, I saw a picture from the 1968 DNC in Chicago, with the saying: “This is what happens when you refuse to listen to the People.” Moments later, I started reading DU:GDP. Yikes!

It’s often said that DU does not represent the Democratic Party. That’s not entirely true. Certainly, it does not represent the sum-total of our party. Nor is it the only thing that represents it. But it does represent a couple significant groups within the larger party. For example, the forum DU:GDP represents the thinking and values of both Bernie and Hillary supporters.

Last night, I was able to listen to an interesting conversation while driving home after picking up my older daughter from her school. Her high grades, along with my financial status, allow her to attend a private university for a fraction of what she’d be charged by the state university system. Also in the vehicle was my oldest son, a graduate from the state university system, who is under-employed in a local factory; he owes a lot on his college loans.

All four of my children support Bernie Sanders. (Three are currently in college full-time; two of these work part-time, to get by.) Both daughters are truly afraid that Donald Trump might be elected president. Of the “Sanders for President” club at the younger one’s school, she estimates that over 50% will vote in the general election, even if Hillary is the nominee.

At the older sister’s school, she said very few of the Bernie-supporting students will vote if Hillary is the party’s nominee. She finds this frustrating, and unacceptable. In part, she believes this is because some of the students are mere fad-participants; while others simply believe Hillary Clinton to be part of the corrupt system they reject. My daughter believes that a Trump presidency poses so many dangers, that it has to be prevented, even if it involves voting for the lesser of two evils.

Her brother pointed out that the biggest stumbling block that will prevent everyone joining in a “big tent” effort to stop Trump would be Hillary, if she were to win the nomination. I said that there were potential difficulties with Bernie as candidate, too -- the truth is that most of the establishment will oppose his being elected. For, regardless of if they are socially-liberal Democrats, or conservative republicans, the establishment allows places money as their number one voting priority.

The two of them discussed the strengths and weaknesses of Bernie and Hillary, without a single insult or attack upon either candidate, or each other. Neither attempted to score cheap debaters’ points. They stuck to facts, opinions, and values. It can be done!

But it doesn’t seem to be a common feature on DU:GDP. Rather, this forum is a microcosm of the larger society’s divisions, which are rapidly becoming more entrenched. Our “differences” with each other are surely at least as important a factor in discussions here, as our beliefs about each candidate. More, neither Bernie nor Hillary can fully repair the damage being done today. Every politician would like to be a popular, unifying figure, of course. But it is evident that there are many here who will not support the nominee, if it isn’t the candidate they currently support. That holds equally true on both sides.

Just as DU:GDP is representative of parts of the Democratic Party, the three people in my vehicle last night are, too. It does not appear that DU:GDP can serve as a vehicle for uniting people behind a common goal -- or set of goals -- at this time. But maybe both sides could reduce the tensions, by at least acknowledging the strengths and weaknesses of both of the candidates.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Old Man Looking [View all] H2O Man Mar 2016 OP
It seems that there is a big generation gap Downwinder Mar 2016 #1
Valid point. H2O Man Mar 2016 #8
It may come into play in loyalty Downwinder Mar 2016 #25
Completely agree. blm Mar 2016 #2
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #9
You must be so proud of your kids... Triana Mar 2016 #3
Oh, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #10
"...who will not support the nominee... That holds equally true on both sides." Dem2 Mar 2016 #4
I honestly believe that a huge factor in that "100%" of Hillary's supporters is that they do not djean111 Mar 2016 #7
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #12
Yes, the poll shows 80/20 Bernie/Hillary Dem2 Mar 2016 #16
Where do you get wishful thinking? From what I have read from Hillary's supporters, djean111 Mar 2016 #21
OK Dem2 Mar 2016 #22
You do know that this is all about actual fucking issues, right? djean111 Mar 2016 #24
"this is all about actual fucking issues, right?" Dem2 Mar 2016 #33
Bwahahahaha! djean111 Mar 2016 #34
Just pointing out that you bring up other issues, move the goalposts Dem2 Mar 2016 #36
Thank you djean111 monicaangela Mar 2016 #26
They understand, they just do not care, so they pretend to not understand. n/t djean111 Mar 2016 #35
If that is the truth, then they really aren't thinking about the country as a whole monicaangela Mar 2016 #37
I'm aware of H2O Man Mar 2016 #11
I believe the poll Dem2 Mar 2016 #18
That's fine. H2O Man Mar 2016 #19
Some thoughts on this. Gregorian Mar 2016 #5
...! KoKo Mar 2016 #13
Interesting. H2O Man Mar 2016 #14
That takes patience. Gregorian Mar 2016 #30
Reminds me of the 1840s and 50's, actually... malthaussen Mar 2016 #45
Who would have thought monicaangela Mar 2016 #27
Oh, I should think that would have been inevitable. malthaussen Mar 2016 #46
We need to puke out Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #6
True, that. H2O Man Mar 2016 #15
But where will they go? malthaussen Mar 2016 #47
. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #17
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #20
Thanks for sharing this. KoKo Mar 2016 #23
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Mar 2016 #28
Agree noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #29
I went almost 12 years without ignoring anyone, Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #32
Voice of reason. Thank you... Young ppl are sometime wiser than old folks..... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #31
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #38
You should be very proud of your children. Scuba Mar 2016 #39
Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2016 #40
Really good post H coeur_de_lion Mar 2016 #41
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #43
K&R nt Zorra Mar 2016 #42
I can't even keep up. malthaussen Mar 2016 #44
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