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2016 Postmortem

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TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:25 PM Mar 2016

Why does Hillary's hypocrisy on gun control get ignored? [View all]

Hillary criticizes Bernie for his having taken the position in the past, as a senator representing a rural state, that federal gun control laws need to accommodate the rights of rural citizens. That is exactly the same position Hillary herself has taken in the past!



Philadephia 2008
CLINTON: What I favor is what works in New York. You know, we have a set of rules in New York City, and we have a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in New York City is certainly not going to work in Montana.

So for the federal government to be having any kind of, you know, blanket rules that they're going to try to impose I think doesn't make sense.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But, Senator, you were for that when you ran for Senate in New York.

CLINTON: I was for the New York rules; that's right. I was for the New York rules, because they have worked over time. And there isn't a lot uproar in New York about changing them, because I go to upstate New York, where we have a lot of hunters and people who are collectors and people who are sport shooters. They have every reason to believe that their rights are being respected.

You walk down the street with a police officer in Manhattan, he wants to be sure that there is some way of protecting him and protecting the people that are in his charge.


Valparaiso, Indiana 2008
“I disagree with Sen. Obama’s assertion that people in our country cling to guns and have certain attitudes about trade and immigration simply out of frustration,” she began, referring to the Obama comments on small-town Americans that set off a political tumult on Friday.

She then introduced a fond memory from her youth.

“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” she said.

“You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter.”

Minutes later, in a slightly awkward moment, Clinton faced a question from a woman in the audience whose son had been paralyzed by a gunshot. The woman asked Clinton what she would do about gun control as president.

Clinton touted her husband's record on gun control during his administration, and said "there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights" and the effort to reduce crime.

Noting that many hunters and gun collectors want to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, Clinton referred to her positive childhood experiences with firearms.

"As I told you, my dad taught me how to shoot behind our cottage,” she said. “I have gone hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting."
Clinton said she has hunted ducks.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns/

And she was more than willing to accept Senator Harry Reid's endorsement in the Nevada caucuses last month despite the fact that Harry Reid has been one of the NRA's best Democratic friends in Congress for most of his career.

December 2012
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a gun man, always has been....

Guns, their role in everyday life and the extent to which that right is protected by the Second Amendment were matters Reid simply didn’t question, according to those who worked with him — not after Columbine; not when the assault weapons ban expired (he’d voted against it); and not after Virginia Tech, the country’s deadliest single-shooter assault, happened in the first year of his majority leadership in the Senate.

“I haven’t seen him spend a lot of time wrestling with this issue over the years,” said a former aide who was close with Reid. “In years past he’s largely ended up toeing the NRA line. But I’m not convinced that’s going to happen this time.” ...

Reid has maintained a “B” average NRA rating, pretty high for a Democrat, and although he has never received the NRA’s endorsement in a Senate race, he usually receives its money — even rarer for a Democrat.

Reid voted against the assault weapons ban; applauded the Supreme Court’s recent pro-gun decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago; and worked closely with the NRA to promote gun sports, such as securing federal funding for the Clark County Shooting Range.
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2012/dec/28/harry-reid-may-have-change-his-tone-gun-control/



Just a reminder: Harry Reid has had a B rating from the NRA; Bernie's had a D rating.

Hillary also doesn't seem to have any problem taking money from people who have made their money lobbying against gun control measures.
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/nra-lobbyist-will-co-host-clinton-fundraiser/
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Because her supporters do not care, and jeff47 Mar 2016 #1
this ibegurpard Mar 2016 #2
exactly Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #3
+100. Lower than a snake is how she rolls. nc4bo Mar 2016 #4
That's it, yep. +1 Marr Mar 2016 #6
Nailed it. Sometime people support a candidate so much that they don't care about Zira Mar 2016 #27
LOL. She's the better candidate on guns by a mile, and Bernie not only voted against Brady, DanTex Mar 2016 #5
Bernie doesn't fund raise with NRA lobbyists amborin Mar 2016 #11
He does their bidding out of love... DanTex Mar 2016 #12
you are distorting his record; and defending someone who takes $$$ from the NRA amborin Mar 2016 #13
Hillary doesn't take money from the NRA. That's a lie. DanTex Mar 2016 #14
Yep, years of F grades and a D minus lifetime rating. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #17
So much faith in the NRA ratings from Bernie fans. I can tell how much you respect them. DanTex Mar 2016 #19
You really don't understand how grades work, do you? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #21
I do. And I also know how the NRA works. DanTex Mar 2016 #23
Anyone who thinks they don't research candidates before rating them is clueless. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #25
Anyone who thinks their ratings are indicative of being strong on guns is, well, a BoB. DanTex Mar 2016 #26
Anyone who dismisses them is a liv. Or just pretends to care about the issue. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #29
FIFY: She PRETENDS to be better - this time. If she gets to the ge Annie Oakley will flip flop again beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #15
So she "pretended" to vote against the gun industry immunity? LOL. DanTex Mar 2016 #16
She pretends to be anti-gun, only her most gullible supporters actually believe it. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #18
So her vote against immunity was "pretend". You're doing great! LOL. DanTex Mar 2016 #20
You can't even properly construct a strawman and you expect people to take you seriously? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #22
I don't expect Bernie or Busters to take me seriously. Or any other Trump fans, for that matter. DanTex Mar 2016 #24
Well that's probably a good thing because you make it impossible. Although you are amusing. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #28
I welcome the hatred of the pro-Trump contingent here. DanTex Mar 2016 #30
Don't flatter yourself, you're not important enough to hate. Relax, we're laughing not hating. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #31
I dunno, you seem pretty worked up... DanTex Mar 2016 #32
It only seems that way to you because I destroyed your arguments. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #33
Dunno about that! I sense animosity... Personal attacks... lol DanTex Mar 2016 #34
Tsk. There goes that imagination again. It's okay the bad ole bmus won't hurt you. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #36
Just sayin'... you got the smilies going and everything. I gotta a feeling... DanTex Mar 2016 #37
Well your "feeling" led you to accuse me of being part of the "pro Trump contingent". beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #38
That's actually a description, not an accusation. DanTex Mar 2016 #39
Sure and if I describe people who personally attack others while whining of being flaming hypocrites beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #40
Hey, if I were pro-Trump, I'd own it. YMMV. DanTex Mar 2016 #41
How do we know that, because you say so? Colour me skeptical. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #42
It's my style. I don't pretend. DanTex Mar 2016 #44
Like you pretended you didn't accuse me of being a "Trump fan"? Sure Dan, whatever you say. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #45
That wasn't pretending. DanTex Mar 2016 #46
Sure, I totally believe you. Seriously. I mean why wouldn't I? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #47
I'm furious! I'm like a Bernie Bro! Should I start using all-caps? DanTex Mar 2016 #48
Sure, why not? I mean it's not like it would damage your credibility. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #49
Meh ... another hit piece fail n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #7
Is anything in the OP untruthful? if so, please point it out TheDormouse Mar 2016 #9
Hillary Clinton: Champion of hunters. Right. This was her Annie Oakley phase. thereismore Mar 2016 #8
No matter, what she says now, sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #10
She hunted ducks? Zira Mar 2016 #35
Because, who the hell knows what she supports on non-economic issues, from day-to-day? w4rma Mar 2016 #43
Because it's the ONLY issue on which Clinton is as progressive as Sanders, and of course she'll Doctor_J Mar 2016 #50
great image--sums their differences up very well; How can anyone read that TheDormouse Mar 2016 #53
knr snagglepuss Mar 2016 #51
Why can't you supporters of Bernie let merrily Mar 2016 #52
lolol TheDormouse Mar 2016 #54
shhhhhhhh......n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #55
Remember what Obama said... senz Mar 2016 #56
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