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Showing Original Post only (View all)Why does Hillary's hypocrisy on gun control get ignored? [View all]
Hillary criticizes Bernie for his having taken the position in the past, as a senator representing a rural state, that federal gun control laws need to accommodate the rights of rural citizens. That is exactly the same position Hillary herself has taken in the past!
Philadephia 2008
CLINTON: What I favor is what works in New York. You know, we have a set of rules in New York City, and we have a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in New York City is certainly not going to work in Montana.
So for the federal government to be having any kind of, you know, blanket rules that they're going to try to impose I think doesn't make sense.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But, Senator, you were for that when you ran for Senate in New York.
CLINTON: I was for the New York rules; that's right. I was for the New York rules, because they have worked over time. And there isn't a lot uproar in New York about changing them, because I go to upstate New York, where we have a lot of hunters and people who are collectors and people who are sport shooters. They have every reason to believe that their rights are being respected.
You walk down the street with a police officer in Manhattan, he wants to be sure that there is some way of protecting him and protecting the people that are in his charge.
So for the federal government to be having any kind of, you know, blanket rules that they're going to try to impose I think doesn't make sense.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But, Senator, you were for that when you ran for Senate in New York.
CLINTON: I was for the New York rules; that's right. I was for the New York rules, because they have worked over time. And there isn't a lot uproar in New York about changing them, because I go to upstate New York, where we have a lot of hunters and people who are collectors and people who are sport shooters. They have every reason to believe that their rights are being respected.
You walk down the street with a police officer in Manhattan, he wants to be sure that there is some way of protecting him and protecting the people that are in his charge.
Valparaiso, Indiana 2008
I disagree with Sen. Obamas assertion that people in our country cling to guns and have certain attitudes about trade and immigration simply out of frustration, she began, referring to the Obama comments on small-town Americans that set off a political tumult on Friday.
She then introduced a fond memory from her youth.
You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl, she said.
You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. Its part of culture. Its part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because its an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter.
Minutes later, in a slightly awkward moment, Clinton faced a question from a woman in the audience whose son had been paralyzed by a gunshot. The woman asked Clinton what she would do about gun control as president.
Clinton touted her husband's record on gun control during his administration, and said "there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights" and the effort to reduce crime.
Noting that many hunters and gun collectors want to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, Clinton referred to her positive childhood experiences with firearms.
"As I told you, my dad taught me how to shoot behind our cottage, she said. I have gone hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting."
Clinton said she has hunted ducks.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns/
She then introduced a fond memory from her youth.
You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl, she said.
You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. Its part of culture. Its part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because its an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter.
Minutes later, in a slightly awkward moment, Clinton faced a question from a woman in the audience whose son had been paralyzed by a gunshot. The woman asked Clinton what she would do about gun control as president.
Clinton touted her husband's record on gun control during his administration, and said "there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights" and the effort to reduce crime.
Noting that many hunters and gun collectors want to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, Clinton referred to her positive childhood experiences with firearms.
"As I told you, my dad taught me how to shoot behind our cottage, she said. I have gone hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting."
Clinton said she has hunted ducks.
And she was more than willing to accept Senator Harry Reid's endorsement in the Nevada caucuses last month despite the fact that Harry Reid has been one of the NRA's best Democratic friends in Congress for most of his career.
December 2012
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a gun man, always has been....
Guns, their role in everyday life and the extent to which that right is protected by the Second Amendment were matters Reid simply didnt question, according to those who worked with him not after Columbine; not when the assault weapons ban expired (hed voted against it); and not after Virginia Tech, the countrys deadliest single-shooter assault, happened in the first year of his majority leadership in the Senate.
I havent seen him spend a lot of time wrestling with this issue over the years, said a former aide who was close with Reid. In years past hes largely ended up toeing the NRA line. But Im not convinced thats going to happen this time. ...
Reid has maintained a B average NRA rating, pretty high for a Democrat, and although he has never received the NRAs endorsement in a Senate race, he usually receives its money even rarer for a Democrat.
Reid voted against the assault weapons ban; applauded the Supreme Courts recent pro-gun decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago; and worked closely with the NRA to promote gun sports, such as securing federal funding for the Clark County Shooting Range.
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2012/dec/28/harry-reid-may-have-change-his-tone-gun-control/
Guns, their role in everyday life and the extent to which that right is protected by the Second Amendment were matters Reid simply didnt question, according to those who worked with him not after Columbine; not when the assault weapons ban expired (hed voted against it); and not after Virginia Tech, the countrys deadliest single-shooter assault, happened in the first year of his majority leadership in the Senate.
I havent seen him spend a lot of time wrestling with this issue over the years, said a former aide who was close with Reid. In years past hes largely ended up toeing the NRA line. But Im not convinced thats going to happen this time. ...
Reid has maintained a B average NRA rating, pretty high for a Democrat, and although he has never received the NRAs endorsement in a Senate race, he usually receives its money even rarer for a Democrat.
Reid voted against the assault weapons ban; applauded the Supreme Courts recent pro-gun decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago; and worked closely with the NRA to promote gun sports, such as securing federal funding for the Clark County Shooting Range.
Just a reminder: Harry Reid has had a B rating from the NRA; Bernie's had a D rating.
Hillary also doesn't seem to have any problem taking money from people who have made their money lobbying against gun control measures.
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/nra-lobbyist-will-co-host-clinton-fundraiser/
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LOL. She's the better candidate on guns by a mile, and Bernie not only voted against Brady,
DanTex
Mar 2016
#5
you are distorting his record; and defending someone who takes $$$ from the NRA
amborin
Mar 2016
#13
So much faith in the NRA ratings from Bernie fans. I can tell how much you respect them.
DanTex
Mar 2016
#19
Anyone who thinks they don't research candidates before rating them is clueless.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#25
Anyone who thinks their ratings are indicative of being strong on guns is, well, a BoB.
DanTex
Mar 2016
#26
Anyone who dismisses them is a liv. Or just pretends to care about the issue.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#29
FIFY: She PRETENDS to be better - this time. If she gets to the ge Annie Oakley will flip flop again
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#15
She pretends to be anti-gun, only her most gullible supporters actually believe it.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#18
You can't even properly construct a strawman and you expect people to take you seriously?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#22
I don't expect Bernie or Busters to take me seriously. Or any other Trump fans, for that matter.
DanTex
Mar 2016
#24
Well that's probably a good thing because you make it impossible. Although you are amusing.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#28
Don't flatter yourself, you're not important enough to hate. Relax, we're laughing not hating.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#31
Tsk. There goes that imagination again. It's okay the bad ole bmus won't hurt you.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#36
Well your "feeling" led you to accuse me of being part of the "pro Trump contingent".
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#38
Sure and if I describe people who personally attack others while whining of being flaming hypocrites
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#40
Like you pretended you didn't accuse me of being a "Trump fan"? Sure Dan, whatever you say.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#45
Sure, why not? I mean it's not like it would damage your credibility.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#49
Hillary Clinton: Champion of hunters. Right. This was her Annie Oakley phase.
thereismore
Mar 2016
#8
Because, who the hell knows what she supports on non-economic issues, from day-to-day?
w4rma
Mar 2016
#43