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2016 Postmortem

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pnwmom

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Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:28 PM Apr 2016

The Koch brothers have put out a web video praising Bernie Sanders [View all]

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for opposing the Export-Import ban. The Koch brothers are posing as populists, and they are using their common ground with Bernie on this issue to draw support for their cause.

The bank gives out many loans to US exporters, including to Seattle-based Boeing to help it compete for airplane sales with European Airbus, which gets similar financing from Europe. AND the Export Import bank returns a PROFIT to the US treasury.

The Koch brothers want to help Airbus, which is now building planes in Alabama -- so they want to make it harder for Airbus's American competitor, Boeing to compete. That's why they're attacking the Export Import bank.

The mystery is why Bernie is. What does he have against Boeing Commercial Airplane company selling planes all over the world and producing tens of thousands of good jobs here?

The Export Import Bank isn't "corporate welfare" -- it gives out loans, not charity. Elizabeth Warren, unlike Bernie, supports the Export Import bank -- which, I repeat, lends out to money to major exporters and makes a PROFIT on its loans.

AND GUESS WHO STARTED THE EXPORT-IMPORT BANK: FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/koch-brothers-bernie-sanders-220498

The group at the center of the Koch brothers' vast political network is praising Bernie Sanders for opposing the Export-Import Bank and for his attacks on corporate welfare.

Freedom Partners put out the web video highlighting its common ground with the Vermont senator ahead of Wednesday night's Democratic debate.

The video features a clip of Sanders responding to a question from the previous debate about why he opposed the Export-Import bank, a favorite punching bag of the Koch brothers. Sanders' stance has put him at odds with many of his fellow Senate Democrats, including Elizabeth Warren.

"I don't want to break the bad news, but Democrats are not always right," Sanders says in the clip. "Democrats have often supported corporate welfare."

SNIP

ABOUT THE EXPORT IMPORT BANK

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/5-things-know-controversial-export-import-bank/

Conservatives say the Export-Import Bank amounts to corporate welfare, pointing out that the companies that benefit include major corporations like Boeing, Caterpillar and GE which they say can support themselves without taxpayers’ help.

But supporters of the bank, including groups like the Chamber of Commerce and National Association of Manufacturers, point out that most other countries have export credit agencies, in some cases more generous than the U.S. version. Supporters say it will be harder for U.S. companies to compete overseas if their competitors are supported by the government and they aren’t.

The bank says that last year it authorized $20 billion worth of transactions which supported $27.5 billion of U.S. exports and 164,000 U.S. jobs. And it says it has a default rate of less than 1 percent.
Opponents argue that the bank mostly helps big businesses. Of the $20.5 billion in financing and insurance authorized by the bank in 2014, just over $5 billion of that was for small business exporters, according to bank officials. But if the transactions themselves are counted up, more small businesses are helped than big ones. It’s just that the amounts spent on them are smaller.



4. The bank wasn’t a political target until the Tea Party came to power.

In past years the bank was renewed with little or no controversy and sometimes without so much as a roll-call vote. But after a tea party-infused GOP majority retook the House in 2010, conservatives began seizing on the bank as crony capitalism and a federal agency ripe for elimination, making a 2012 reauthorization vote a struggle for the first time.

Outside groups like Club for Growth and Heritage Action for America made it an issue, and this year, with Republicans in control of the Senate and a presidential campaign underway, conservatives have targeted the Export-Import Bank even more assertively.

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The Kochs want Hillary on other issues revbones Apr 2016 #1
No, they're trying to encourage Independents to vote for him. And you didn't pnwmom Apr 2016 #2
Leaders don't always toe the party line. They do what they think is right. like Iraq, or the TPP. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #3
Because People are sick of corporate welfare. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #6
Bank loans are not welfare. They are loans paid back with interest. Franklin Delano pnwmom Apr 2016 #9
Bernie, Cruz and Koch oppose Elizabeth Warren Hortensis Apr 2016 #85
I found it quite curious that Boeing announced major layoffs NWCorona Apr 2016 #14
Check your calendar. This is the time of year they often make these announcements pnwmom Apr 2016 #33
I live in Seattle and worked for Boeing NWCorona Apr 2016 #35
Then you know this is when it often happens. Nobody at Boeing can ever count pnwmom Apr 2016 #37
That's all fine and I'll give you that point NWCorona Apr 2016 #53
It would have demoralized some people but we only had less than 6% participation. pnwmom Apr 2016 #56
You have a point NWCorona Apr 2016 #57
Yes, and I went to a caucus. Ugh. pnwmom Apr 2016 #61
It seems that the experience wasn't very uniform at all NWCorona Apr 2016 #69
Well I agree with Bernie on the ExIm bank revbones Apr 2016 #12
OH come on no one is dumb enough to buy into something like Kochs ploy. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #4
The Koch brothers are strongly against the Export Import bank pnwmom Apr 2016 #7
Ok I guess I was wrong Gwhittey Apr 2016 #8
Why would Bernie oppose an important part of the FDR legacy pnwmom Apr 2016 #11
Because it has been corrupted by people like Clinton Gwhittey Apr 2016 #15
Thank you. RiverLover Apr 2016 #17
The naive people are the ones adopting the tea party view against the bank. pnwmom Apr 2016 #19
Then you are saying Elizabeth Warren and everyone but Bernie-so-pure pnwmom Apr 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Gwhittey Apr 2016 #25
+10000000000000000000000 azmom Apr 2016 #21
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #44
You didn't read the article. nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #74
WHY DOES BERNIE HATE AMERICA??? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #5
Because he's a socialist/communist/fellow traveller neverforget Apr 2016 #24
I hear he likes turtles though. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #45
more k-bro manipulation oldandhappy Apr 2016 #10
Hillary bro-gressives... nt revbones Apr 2016 #13
EXIM is a legitimate issue to debate. pat_k Apr 2016 #16
It is not corporate welfare because it is not charity. They make loans to be repaid with interest. pnwmom Apr 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Gwhittey Apr 2016 #26
I'm not arguing pro or con, but past default rates do not predict the future. pat_k Apr 2016 #78
Absolutely: Sanders = Koch bros. delrem Apr 2016 #22
No. Sanders position on the ExIm bank is just as wrong as Ted Cruz's is, pnwmom Apr 2016 #27
Bernie Sanders stated his reason: delrem Apr 2016 #32
He's wrong. Boeing is producing its planes right here. It IS a vehicle for job creation pnwmom Apr 2016 #34
How are Boeing operations internal to the US dependent on an Ex-Im Bank? delrem Apr 2016 #39
They need to borrow money to build the very expensive planes that will pnwmom Apr 2016 #41
They can borrow money the same way every corporation does. delrem Apr 2016 #46
The large majority of jobs produced are right here. And the scale of the loans pnwmom Apr 2016 #48
Oh c'mon, you're suggesting that there aren't already banks "too large to fail". delrem Apr 2016 #51
But Bernie wants to break them up, so it's nuts to ALSO want to disband pnwmom Apr 2016 #84
Oh that's right- choie Apr 2016 #88
It is what is being reported nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #79
Obama campaigned against it in 2008 and won. azmom Apr 2016 #23
The bank was reformed in 2012. This was President Obama in 2015: pnwmom Apr 2016 #28
Reagan was also a big supporter. azmom Apr 2016 #30
So? Franklin Delano Roosevelt began it and every President since then pnwmom Apr 2016 #31
So, it's not a republicans oppose the import export bank azmom Apr 2016 #36
I don't understand your question. The tea party opposes the bank and so does Bernie. pnwmom Apr 2016 #38
Read your own thread, it was asked and answered. azmom Apr 2016 #47
No, it wasn't. Bernie's answer was just his usual spiel about corporate welfare, pnwmom Apr 2016 #49
Do you really think these companies should qualify azmom Apr 2016 #52
Yes, and so does Elizabeth Warren. And so does every Democratic President pnwmom Apr 2016 #59
Don't forget, Including republican presidents. azmom Apr 2016 #63
Every President since FDR began it. The tea party opposes it though -- and Bernie. pnwmom Apr 2016 #65
As I understand it, the tea party azmom Apr 2016 #70
The tea party pretends to. But they support lots of other things pnwmom Apr 2016 #73
I agree with Bernie. When a single company azmom Apr 2016 #80
Boeing and Lockheed's European competitor, Airbus, has the advantage pnwmom Apr 2016 #83
It's hillaryous. jillan Apr 2016 #29
She's gish galloping her own thread! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #43
Boeing also competes with Lockheed-Martin. okasha Apr 2016 #40
Which also can use the Ex-Im bank. Airbus, OTOH, can use the comparable pnwmom Apr 2016 #42
Of all the demagoguery this cycle I find the Ex-Im the most irritating Recursion Apr 2016 #60
Yup. I understand why the tea party opposes it. I just don't get it with Bernie. pnwmom Apr 2016 #62
Bernie is the one who accepts $$ from Koch inc not Hillary nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #75
So the guys who helped fund the Nader campaign also support Bernie. ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #50
Theyre are also Scott Walker's biggest patrons RandySF Apr 2016 #55
K&R CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #54
From what I currently know, SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #58
Most people here think they support the New Deal and FDR. pnwmom Apr 2016 #66
Smart bet. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #64
Mr. Rove's SuperPAC has also expressed its admiration: ucrdem Apr 2016 #67
No surprise. Republicans have been propping Bernie up since the beginning. n/t cosmicone Apr 2016 #68
The Kochs funded the DLC HRC co-founded. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #71
I guess they didn't get the quid pro quo they were hoping for. ucrdem Apr 2016 #72
Yet. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #77
Evidently they got tired of waiting. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #81
Bernie accepted money from t hem for his Campaign nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #76
Bernie is the koch bros favorite revolutionary! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #82
Well, it was a good run until you exposed Sanders as the secret 4th Koch Brother. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #86
Bernie chose the wrong side on this issue. He picked the tea party side, pnwmom Apr 2016 #87
The Koch Bros want Sanders to win. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #89
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