2016 Postmortem

4ricksren

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21. so you're saying that the superdelegates should also be counted proportionately?

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:07 PM

Apr 2016

in the states where bernie won the popular vote -- you're now saying
that the superdelegates should vote for bernie in proportion to the
pledged delegates?

by that logic, bernie is pretty close in superdelegates, since he's not
that far back in pledged delegates

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A Contested Democratic Convention Is Now a Near Statistical Certainty [View all] imagine2015 Apr 2016 OP

If this happens we will see just how crooked the system is here in the U.S. monicaangela Apr 2016 #1

+1 Zira Apr 2016 #97

Really? itsrobert Apr 2016 #2

really. pangaia Apr 2016 #30

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2016 #106

wow, I don't know why this is so hard to understand-- THEY CAN SWITCH Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #110

Super delegates are most concern about the party as a whole Gothmog Apr 2016 #121

Oh FFS, if Sanders wins the nomination, he is electable. He is as electable as Clinton if not more. Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #125

Democrats would be insane to nominate Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #130

there are plenty of reasons that the Dems would be insane to nominate Clinton Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #139

Sanders' attack ads write themselves Gothmog Apr 2016 #142

sigh... you really need to get out of that old, moldy way of thinking Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #144

I live in the real world Gothmog Apr 2016 #145

Fine. What makes her more electable in the GE? hedda_foil Apr 2016 #147

I am not in denal, sad nor being funny. pangaia Apr 2016 #122

You are ignoring the facts here Gothmog Apr 2016 #143

Bernie Sanders 2016 putitinD Apr 2016 #3

Wow! You've convinced me with your COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #132

NOAP!!!! n/t UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #4

There will be no contested convention. The SDs will side with the pledged delegate leader after DC. LonePirate Apr 2016 #5

so you're saying that the superdelegates should also be counted proportionately? 4ricksren Apr 2016 #21

It doesn't matter. SDs are largely irrelevant. LonePirate Apr 2016 #36

then why did hillary have hundreds of superdelegates before even one primary vote was cast? 4ricksren Apr 2016 #39

Someone posted an article here that Bill Clinton had strong-armed superdelegates Samantha Apr 2016 #63

Well then apcalc Apr 2016 #127

Did you ever wonder if it were true? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #133

I thought it was amazing that so many super-delegates had committed to Hillary before the first vote Samantha Apr 2016 #148

You've got to remember that the SD's are very long term COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #150

Well, I read the list of super-delegates and I was surprised to see lobbyists on that list Samantha Apr 2016 #152

I think they should be dumped because they serve no purpose. LonePirate Apr 2016 #65

I agree they should be dumped. KPN Apr 2016 #78

The outcome is the same with or without SDs. They do not control the outcome. LonePirate Apr 2016 #80

So you are saying that if Bernie had more delegates at the end KPN Apr 2016 #84

There has never been an instance where the super delegates overruled the primary process mythology Apr 2016 #87

Yes. Whichever candidate wins the majority of pledged delegates will be the nominee. LonePirate Apr 2016 #93

Don't be fooled by the icon. This person is a Hillary supporter. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #91

My vote for Bernie last month proves otherwise. I simply haven't swallowed the kool-aid like others. LonePirate Apr 2016 #94

And definitely not the only one who bvf Apr 2016 #95

Side with a candidate that keeps losing primaries and is under threat of indictment? Califonz Apr 2016 #103

So you would prefer the SDs back the candidate who does not win the majority of pledged delegates? LonePirate Apr 2016 #115

Bring It On cantbeserious Apr 2016 #6

Assuming that Hillary has the most pledged delegates and the most votes dsc Apr 2016 #7

Black voters will also remember that it was Hillary who tried to stop Obama from being nominated. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #17

And once he was nominated sasmath Apr 2016 #35

Let's hope she has the same approach when Bernie is nominated. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #48

Of course she did -- after negotiating her post in the administration. KPN Apr 2016 #82

No, it merely takes Potomac Fever. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #120

Which is why they overwhelmingly support her in COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #134

Wow, so your whole argument rests on TM99 Apr 2016 #58

Nope, the whole argument rest on what's right and what's fair not some made up bullshit from the op uponit7771 Apr 2016 #60

The Pot loves to call out the kettle doesn't it? KPN Apr 2016 #83

yes how dare a group of people who literally were denied any say at all dsc Apr 2016 #108

You are fucking hilarious. TM99 Apr 2016 #128

Yup, both parties, get your popcorn, get your popcorn nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #8

Those were the most fun to read about regarding history, because of the many unpredictable Dragonfli Apr 2016 #16

Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #42

Off topic, but earlier today, you were mentioned favorably and quoted today on the Dragonfli Apr 2016 #52

That is twice in two days nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #55

Perhaps he will, I bet if you called him on air, his producers would put you right through! /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #57

I got no interest nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #59

I get that, I know that if I called he wouldn't take my call, I am far less unbiased as you Dragonfli Apr 2016 #66

Oh they write some of the best fanfic ever nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #71

Read your Bible! COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #135

wont happen MFM008 Apr 2016 #9

He wins New York Aerows Apr 2016 #38

He'll be the nominee. morningfog Apr 2016 #44

He still won't be the nominee. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #136

Hillary super delegate explains why she flipped to Obama at 2008 convention imagine2015 Apr 2016 #10

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #11

Left out of the Clinton case was that "Goldman-Sachs really wants H. Clinton" nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #12

Not Really BKH70041 Apr 2016 #13

I wonder if they will learn the error after they use the GE? basselope Apr 2016 #33

Use the GE? BKH70041 Apr 2016 #68

Yes, if they choose her, they are sure to lose the GE. basselope Apr 2016 #69

Winning isn't everything. BKH70041 Apr 2016 #72

Well.. that hasn't happened yet. basselope Apr 2016 #79

The people say NO and it will be the party that is out if they continue going against the people, Zira Apr 2016 #98

For Better or Worse a good chance of Ending Two Party Rule LarryNM Apr 2016 #104

You, however rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #86

Seth Abramson. LOL. DanTex Apr 2016 #14

Hillary Clinton, the former Senator from Wall Street. Just what we need. LOL imagine2015 Apr 2016 #18

why does he make you LOL? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #112

He's got a long history of writing loony pro-Bernie articles that do silly things with numbers. DanTex Apr 2016 #113

while I wish he'd showed his calculations Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #116

It's absurd to call a contested convention a "statistical certainty". DanTex Apr 2016 #117

If this should happen, Obama will step in on her sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #15

He's already used some of his powder on that Hydra Apr 2016 #28

the outsider who tried to hijack a party after 73 yrs of ignoring it will go back to the senate nt msongs Apr 2016 #43

And continue to do what he's done for the last 20-odd COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #137

new movie idea: Superdelegates... the story of the Sanders campaign jcgoldie Apr 2016 #19

They are undemocratic, but they are there. So might as well morningfog Apr 2016 #45

The super power origin stories will be most interesting and will involve radioactive money! Dragonfli Apr 2016 #56

There was no contested convention in 2008 Trenzalore Apr 2016 #20

i believe the superdelegates vote on the first ballot with the pledged delegates, thus 4ricksren Apr 2016 #25

They didn't even call the full roll RandySF Apr 2016 #27

with Hillary entering his name into Nomination nt. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #29

2008 wasn't contested because Hillary conceded. morningfog Apr 2016 #46

Yes Hillary did the honorable right thing Trenzalore Apr 2016 #107

That's absurd. He has every right to stay in unless and until morningfog Apr 2016 #119

Dream on... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #22

One can hope. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #23

You're entitled to your own opinions, you aren't entitled to your own facts. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #24

The English Professor needs to visit the Math Department RandySF Apr 2016 #26

Do wish to challenge anything written in the article? imagine2015 Apr 2016 #31

At some point RandySF Apr 2016 #32

So the answer is no. You can't challenge anything written in the article. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #49

A professor of English? That's always who I go to first for my political news... nt anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #34

Oh Bernio! Oh Bernio! Wherefore art thou? brooklynite Apr 2016 #37

Have you read many English PhD dissertations? Barack_America Apr 2016 #40

I'm guessing you haven't read any. okasha Apr 2016 #61

Wrong. When I was doing my PhD, my closest group of friends... Barack_America Apr 2016 #64

I've read my share. okasha Apr 2016 #70

you can't have it both ways: the PURPOSE of superdelegates was to override the will of the voters 4ricksren Apr 2016 #41

A major purpose of the super delegates is to protect their own asses by supported whichever .... imagine2015 Apr 2016 #50

Well, no, the purpose was to prevent a plurality candidate from getting the nomination Recursion Apr 2016 #89

Clearly the majority of Democrats want Hillary as their Democratic candidate. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #96

all primaries should be open 4ricksren Apr 2016 #100

The two party system is a result of our constitutional process of passing legislation LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #102

it's only to override the will of the voters if the voters do something stupid Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #114

Crackus maximus taught_me_patience Apr 2016 #47

Clinton will have a majority of pledged and superdelegates. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #51

Supers vote on first ballot (4-12-2016) BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #53

Making a case is not statistical data RandySF Apr 2016 #54

It definitely is not oberliner Apr 2016 #62

It technically is a contested convention if nobody passes 2383 hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #67

Fair enough oberliner Apr 2016 #75

Super delegates who promised to vote for her will unless they change their minds and vote for Bernie imagine2015 Apr 2016 #88

Bernie Math giftedgirl77 Apr 2016 #73

Move over H.A. Goodman. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #74

"Statistical certainty" zappaman Apr 2016 #76

If she wins the popular vote and delegate count (even if not a clinch) then I want the supers... Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #77

Sadly, the English prof is bad at math BainsBane Apr 2016 #81

your point has nothing to do with math but an interpretation of rules Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #109

The contest is already over. fighting-irish Apr 2016 #85

I hope you're right. Zira Apr 2016 #99

You can't have a "contested" convention with two candidates Recursion Apr 2016 #90

More fucking stupid shit from Seth Abramson mythology Apr 2016 #92

Exactly BainsBane Apr 2016 #101

+1. Totally agree. n/t FSogol Apr 2016 #141

What a silly and poorly informed OP Gothmog Apr 2016 #105

You have reached the bargaining stage. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #111

If just 40% of Sanders' supporters vote for Hillary in the GE she can win it without the rest. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #118

And IF my grandmother had wheels COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #138

It is foolish to believe that most of the remaining superdelegates will not fall in line and support Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #123

"Undemocratic Socialism" is now Bernies only hope Renew Deal Apr 2016 #124

uh no... he would ONLY do that if he ends up with more real votes in the primary Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #126

COMMOOOOONISSSSM!!!! TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #129

Jesus Christ- not another POS from Seth Abramson, COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #131

Let the marathon continue...or more like nascar race... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #140

She is NOT a policy wonk!! FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #146

uphill battle for Bernie, but looking forward to contested convention TheDormouse Apr 2016 #149

I'm afraid you are going to be severely disappointed. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #151