2016 Postmortem

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127. Well then

Reply to Samantha (Reply #63)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:13 PM

Apr 2016

It must be true.

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A Contested Democratic Convention Is Now a Near Statistical Certainty [View all] imagine2015 Apr 2016 OP

If this happens we will see just how crooked the system is here in the U.S. monicaangela Apr 2016 #1

+1 Zira Apr 2016 #97

Really? itsrobert Apr 2016 #2

really. pangaia Apr 2016 #30

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2016 #106

wow, I don't know why this is so hard to understand-- THEY CAN SWITCH Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #110

Super delegates are most concern about the party as a whole Gothmog Apr 2016 #121

Oh FFS, if Sanders wins the nomination, he is electable. He is as electable as Clinton if not more. Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #125

Democrats would be insane to nominate Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #130

there are plenty of reasons that the Dems would be insane to nominate Clinton Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #139

Sanders' attack ads write themselves Gothmog Apr 2016 #142

sigh... you really need to get out of that old, moldy way of thinking Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #144

I live in the real world Gothmog Apr 2016 #145

Fine. What makes her more electable in the GE? hedda_foil Apr 2016 #147

I am not in denal, sad nor being funny. pangaia Apr 2016 #122

You are ignoring the facts here Gothmog Apr 2016 #143

Bernie Sanders 2016 putitinD Apr 2016 #3

Wow! You've convinced me with your COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #132

NOAP!!!! n/t UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #4

There will be no contested convention. The SDs will side with the pledged delegate leader after DC. LonePirate Apr 2016 #5

so you're saying that the superdelegates should also be counted proportionately? 4ricksren Apr 2016 #21

It doesn't matter. SDs are largely irrelevant. LonePirate Apr 2016 #36

then why did hillary have hundreds of superdelegates before even one primary vote was cast? 4ricksren Apr 2016 #39

Someone posted an article here that Bill Clinton had strong-armed superdelegates Samantha Apr 2016 #63

Well then apcalc Apr 2016 #127

Did you ever wonder if it were true? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #133

I thought it was amazing that so many super-delegates had committed to Hillary before the first vote Samantha Apr 2016 #148

You've got to remember that the SD's are very long term COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #150

Well, I read the list of super-delegates and I was surprised to see lobbyists on that list Samantha Apr 2016 #152

I think they should be dumped because they serve no purpose. LonePirate Apr 2016 #65

I agree they should be dumped. KPN Apr 2016 #78

The outcome is the same with or without SDs. They do not control the outcome. LonePirate Apr 2016 #80

So you are saying that if Bernie had more delegates at the end KPN Apr 2016 #84

There has never been an instance where the super delegates overruled the primary process mythology Apr 2016 #87

Yes. Whichever candidate wins the majority of pledged delegates will be the nominee. LonePirate Apr 2016 #93

Don't be fooled by the icon. This person is a Hillary supporter. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #91

My vote for Bernie last month proves otherwise. I simply haven't swallowed the kool-aid like others. LonePirate Apr 2016 #94

And definitely not the only one who bvf Apr 2016 #95

Side with a candidate that keeps losing primaries and is under threat of indictment? Califonz Apr 2016 #103

So you would prefer the SDs back the candidate who does not win the majority of pledged delegates? LonePirate Apr 2016 #115

Bring It On cantbeserious Apr 2016 #6

Assuming that Hillary has the most pledged delegates and the most votes dsc Apr 2016 #7

Black voters will also remember that it was Hillary who tried to stop Obama from being nominated. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #17

And once he was nominated sasmath Apr 2016 #35

Let's hope she has the same approach when Bernie is nominated. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #48

Of course she did -- after negotiating her post in the administration. KPN Apr 2016 #82

No, it merely takes Potomac Fever. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #120

Which is why they overwhelmingly support her in COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #134

Wow, so your whole argument rests on TM99 Apr 2016 #58

Nope, the whole argument rest on what's right and what's fair not some made up bullshit from the op uponit7771 Apr 2016 #60

The Pot loves to call out the kettle doesn't it? KPN Apr 2016 #83

yes how dare a group of people who literally were denied any say at all dsc Apr 2016 #108

You are fucking hilarious. TM99 Apr 2016 #128

Yup, both parties, get your popcorn, get your popcorn nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #8

Those were the most fun to read about regarding history, because of the many unpredictable Dragonfli Apr 2016 #16

Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #42

Off topic, but earlier today, you were mentioned favorably and quoted today on the Dragonfli Apr 2016 #52

That is twice in two days nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #55

Perhaps he will, I bet if you called him on air, his producers would put you right through! /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #57

I got no interest nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #59

I get that, I know that if I called he wouldn't take my call, I am far less unbiased as you Dragonfli Apr 2016 #66

Oh they write some of the best fanfic ever nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #71

Read your Bible! COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #135

wont happen MFM008 Apr 2016 #9

He wins New York Aerows Apr 2016 #38

He'll be the nominee. morningfog Apr 2016 #44

He still won't be the nominee. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #136

Hillary super delegate explains why she flipped to Obama at 2008 convention imagine2015 Apr 2016 #10

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #11

Left out of the Clinton case was that "Goldman-Sachs really wants H. Clinton" nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #12

Not Really BKH70041 Apr 2016 #13

I wonder if they will learn the error after they use the GE? basselope Apr 2016 #33

Use the GE? BKH70041 Apr 2016 #68

Yes, if they choose her, they are sure to lose the GE. basselope Apr 2016 #69

Winning isn't everything. BKH70041 Apr 2016 #72

Well.. that hasn't happened yet. basselope Apr 2016 #79

The people say NO and it will be the party that is out if they continue going against the people, Zira Apr 2016 #98

For Better or Worse a good chance of Ending Two Party Rule LarryNM Apr 2016 #104

You, however rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #86

Seth Abramson. LOL. DanTex Apr 2016 #14

Hillary Clinton, the former Senator from Wall Street. Just what we need. LOL imagine2015 Apr 2016 #18

why does he make you LOL? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #112

He's got a long history of writing loony pro-Bernie articles that do silly things with numbers. DanTex Apr 2016 #113

while I wish he'd showed his calculations Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #116

It's absurd to call a contested convention a "statistical certainty". DanTex Apr 2016 #117

If this should happen, Obama will step in on her sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #15

He's already used some of his powder on that Hydra Apr 2016 #28

the outsider who tried to hijack a party after 73 yrs of ignoring it will go back to the senate nt msongs Apr 2016 #43

And continue to do what he's done for the last 20-odd COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #137

new movie idea: Superdelegates... the story of the Sanders campaign jcgoldie Apr 2016 #19

They are undemocratic, but they are there. So might as well morningfog Apr 2016 #45

The super power origin stories will be most interesting and will involve radioactive money! Dragonfli Apr 2016 #56

There was no contested convention in 2008 Trenzalore Apr 2016 #20

i believe the superdelegates vote on the first ballot with the pledged delegates, thus 4ricksren Apr 2016 #25

They didn't even call the full roll RandySF Apr 2016 #27

with Hillary entering his name into Nomination nt. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #29

2008 wasn't contested because Hillary conceded. morningfog Apr 2016 #46

Yes Hillary did the honorable right thing Trenzalore Apr 2016 #107

That's absurd. He has every right to stay in unless and until morningfog Apr 2016 #119

Dream on... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #22

One can hope. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #23

You're entitled to your own opinions, you aren't entitled to your own facts. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #24

The English Professor needs to visit the Math Department RandySF Apr 2016 #26

Do wish to challenge anything written in the article? imagine2015 Apr 2016 #31

At some point RandySF Apr 2016 #32

So the answer is no. You can't challenge anything written in the article. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #49

A professor of English? That's always who I go to first for my political news... nt anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #34

Oh Bernio! Oh Bernio! Wherefore art thou? brooklynite Apr 2016 #37

Have you read many English PhD dissertations? Barack_America Apr 2016 #40

I'm guessing you haven't read any. okasha Apr 2016 #61

Wrong. When I was doing my PhD, my closest group of friends... Barack_America Apr 2016 #64

I've read my share. okasha Apr 2016 #70

you can't have it both ways: the PURPOSE of superdelegates was to override the will of the voters 4ricksren Apr 2016 #41

A major purpose of the super delegates is to protect their own asses by supported whichever .... imagine2015 Apr 2016 #50

Well, no, the purpose was to prevent a plurality candidate from getting the nomination Recursion Apr 2016 #89

Clearly the majority of Democrats want Hillary as their Democratic candidate. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #96

all primaries should be open 4ricksren Apr 2016 #100

The two party system is a result of our constitutional process of passing legislation LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #102

it's only to override the will of the voters if the voters do something stupid Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #114

Crackus maximus taught_me_patience Apr 2016 #47

Clinton will have a majority of pledged and superdelegates. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #51

Supers vote on first ballot (4-12-2016) BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #53

Making a case is not statistical data RandySF Apr 2016 #54

It definitely is not oberliner Apr 2016 #62

It technically is a contested convention if nobody passes 2383 hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #67

Fair enough oberliner Apr 2016 #75

Super delegates who promised to vote for her will unless they change their minds and vote for Bernie imagine2015 Apr 2016 #88

Bernie Math giftedgirl77 Apr 2016 #73

Move over H.A. Goodman. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #74

"Statistical certainty" zappaman Apr 2016 #76

If she wins the popular vote and delegate count (even if not a clinch) then I want the supers... Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #77

Sadly, the English prof is bad at math BainsBane Apr 2016 #81

your point has nothing to do with math but an interpretation of rules Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #109

The contest is already over. fighting-irish Apr 2016 #85

I hope you're right. Zira Apr 2016 #99

You can't have a "contested" convention with two candidates Recursion Apr 2016 #90

More fucking stupid shit from Seth Abramson mythology Apr 2016 #92

Exactly BainsBane Apr 2016 #101

+1. Totally agree. n/t FSogol Apr 2016 #141

What a silly and poorly informed OP Gothmog Apr 2016 #105

You have reached the bargaining stage. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #111

If just 40% of Sanders' supporters vote for Hillary in the GE she can win it without the rest. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #118

And IF my grandmother had wheels COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #138

It is foolish to believe that most of the remaining superdelegates will not fall in line and support Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #123

"Undemocratic Socialism" is now Bernies only hope Renew Deal Apr 2016 #124

uh no... he would ONLY do that if he ends up with more real votes in the primary Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #126

COMMOOOOONISSSSM!!!! TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #129

Jesus Christ- not another POS from Seth Abramson, COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #131

Let the marathon continue...or more like nascar race... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #140

She is NOT a policy wonk!! FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #146

uphill battle for Bernie, but looking forward to contested convention TheDormouse Apr 2016 #149

I'm afraid you are going to be severely disappointed. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #151