2016 Postmortem

runaway hero

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146. Stop.

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:32 AM

Apr 2016

http://theconversation.com/the-illusion-of-choice-why-the-2016-presidential-race-looks-like-2000-42528

People used the term Coronation for both Gore and Bush Sr. This is just going too far and drives people away from Hillary.

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Yes, the continued use of "coronation" and "queen" is sexist. [View all] moriah Apr 2016 OP

Nope! "coronation" is not sex- or gender-specific amborin Apr 2016 #1

bush2 RobertEarl Apr 2016 #70

Obviously not - and it's either king or queen... JackRiddler Apr 2016 #72

No it's not. That's just not objectively true. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #2

With the possibility of Republicans having multiple ballots... moriah Apr 2016 #6

Chelsea doesn't seem to show the kind of ambition her parents do. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #10

I suspect she has her own quiet ambitions about things she'd like to do. moriah Apr 2016 #17

They do not refer to her sex. One refers to the idea that jwirr Apr 2016 #3

Here ya go: bvf Apr 2016 #4

Just because I have my opinion, and expressed it.... moriah Apr 2016 #13

Way to not stand by your words. Not very admirable. bvf Apr 2016 #16

I assume you alert on everything that offends you, then? moriah Apr 2016 #19

Only when I think something violates ToS. bvf Apr 2016 #29

Not everyone chooses to use the alert system. moriah Apr 2016 #30

So, you're just doing your part to help make DU suck. bvf Apr 2016 #86

Naw, the people who make personal attacks without apology and juries that let even that go.... moriah Apr 2016 #87

It clearly was anything *but* bait. bvf Apr 2016 #89

So you're being honest and you're admitting you're sexist? dlwickham Apr 2016 #64

Nothing gets past you, does it, Einstein? bvf Apr 2016 #85

and the results are in! yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #140

Thanks, yuiyoshida. n/t bvf Apr 2016 #160

This is absurd. If we can talk about the Bush royal family, we can talk about Hillary's coronation. reformist2 Apr 2016 #5

Three from the same family does push limits. moriah Apr 2016 #11

OMFG vintx Apr 2016 #7

Sadly I think not... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #133

I agree mythology Apr 2016 #8

WOW, you hillayrites take sexism to new heights angstlessk Apr 2016 #9

no...and on the other hand...'anointed' was apparently seen as too religious... islandmkl Apr 2016 #12

I'm cool with annointed, that was clearly part of monarchy either way. ;) n/t moriah Apr 2016 #14

The reason it is considered sexist Haveadream Apr 2016 #15

Thank you for putting it into better words. moriah Apr 2016 #20

Restoration of the Royal Couple Armstead Apr 2016 #120

So when we (democrats) said it about Bush? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #79

No because he was born into dynastic wealth, privilege and political connections Haveadream Apr 2016 #91

Thank you!!!!! all american girl Apr 2016 #145

Thanks, all american girl! Haveadream Apr 2016 #150

Nah. The reason something is sexist is because someone is and means it as sexist, not because KPN Apr 2016 #92

But this is not an inherited title Haveadream Apr 2016 #98

One can, however, attack that experience on its record. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #136

Enough She is qualified runaway hero Apr 2016 #149

What a nasty piece of work that article is... Lucinda Apr 2016 #18

Isn't it? LisaM Apr 2016 #67

Ok. I promise not to use queen or coronatio... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #21

Coronation isn't sexist and it has been used many times before. basselope Apr 2016 #22

Thank you. vintx Apr 2016 #24

She and her supporters haven't really claimed it's her turn dflprincess Apr 2016 #25

Thanks for referencing that debate, I appreciate it. I mean that. moriah Apr 2016 #32

I don't believe Obama HAD a cult, but he does now. basselope Apr 2016 #33

I'll settle for warmonger in that case. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #23

Yeah, that one's pretty gender-neutral Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #28

As the old saying goes, "If the crown fits . . " Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #43

Lol +1 northernsouthern Apr 2016 #80

You know that "monger", according to the urban dictionary, Vattel Apr 2016 #111

Been around for a long time hobbit709 Apr 2016 #123

lol, I know what it means, but some Hillary supporters don't Vattel Apr 2016 #157

Lol SheenaR Apr 2016 #26

Fail Marrah_G Apr 2016 #27

Why do Clinton people parse words? Why not just discuss issues? snowy owl Apr 2016 #31

Probably because the reason for the post was use of an offending phrase Haveadream Apr 2016 #41

Ok, I get that. But still, the modern connotation is relevant to today. snowy owl Apr 2016 #46

There is no modern connotation of "coronation" which does not mean Haveadream Apr 2016 #49

Nonsense. Happens at Homecoming at every high school jberryhill Apr 2016 #93

Is this a response to Chelsea's comment about "They are not electing a King"? glinda Apr 2016 #34

My post, or the Salon article? Nt moriah Apr 2016 #35

Salon referencing. I did not read it but found it odd glinda Apr 2016 #55

Exactly! Just like everything negative about her mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #36

I never denigrated Bernie supporters in that fashion. moriah Apr 2016 #39

Cool. Many have, and I seriously wonder where the term BernieBro mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #78

Not really, since I have used "coronation" and "King" Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #37

make sure to let Camille Paglia know she is sexist since she wrote the piece! m-lekktor Apr 2016 #38

You might want to take a look at history…. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #40

A touch more recent than medieval Europe, which is what I referenced. moriah Apr 2016 #42

That would be the 15th century. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #44

Because the Salon article I referenced was clearly, to any person with knowledge of that timeframe.. moriah Apr 2016 #47

Perhaps you linked to the wrong article. Paglia says nothing about Elizabeth. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #52

Queen, cult, idol worship.... but hey, maybe Elizabethan politics wasn't your gig. Nt moriah Apr 2016 #60

Hey maybe you should try to be honest. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #73

You lost me... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #83

She had to surrender herself, as an astute political move, into the idol of the "virginity cult" moriah Apr 2016 #96

There's nothing in that article which is similar to Elizabeth I muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #122

Again... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #139

For the queen of the queen of the Democrats, my homegirl Hillary. frylock Apr 2016 #45

I am still cringing over that one. moriah Apr 2016 #48

The most liberal? Down with Sandanistas?!!!! vintx Apr 2016 #115

Hypersensitive hyperbolic thin skinned nonsense AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #50

Wolf! Wolf! Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #51

Correct me if I'm wrong... Hillary is a woman, isn't she? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #53

I believe Hillary has actually emphasized that she is a woman - as a reason to vote for her. djean111 Apr 2016 #57

Oh stop Rebkeh Apr 2016 #54

boy, you're just all filled with wrongness wiht this post notadmblnd Apr 2016 #56

Now this, this I alert on. Don't call me a fucking paid shill. moriah Apr 2016 #65

I didn't say you were paid. notadmblnd Apr 2016 #69

I've been here since 2008. I have served on MIRT and have over 10k posts. moriah Apr 2016 #71

If you have over 10K posts, Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #100

Okay, I didn't pay attention to my count normally, but someone mentioned a post anniversary moriah Apr 2016 #128

Jury went 4-3 to leave alone, but you still ought to have the decency... moriah Apr 2016 #74

I don't feel I owe an apology. notadmblnd Apr 2016 #81

Read the edit of my second post for my full explanation. I don't generally ignore LT posters... moriah Apr 2016 #82

No, there was scarcasm in your original post. notadmblnd Apr 2016 #84

Why don't you post the jury results bvf Apr 2016 #88

Sure, was acually tkinda confused on one answer. moriah Apr 2016 #95

You should learn not to alert just because your feelings are hurt. bvf Apr 2016 #107

I alerted because, at oine point in tye distant past... moriah Apr 2016 #125

I'll say it once more: It wasn't bait. bvf Apr 2016 #135

And I will say it again: Yes, it, was. moriah Apr 2016 #137

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #161

That alerter wasn't me, but I wish a could alert on you calling them a moron. moriah Apr 2016 #163

Why can't you alert? Oh, right. bvf Apr 2016 #164

Oh, since you edited it I can? Let me do that now. Nt. moriah Apr 2016 #165

I am sure Queen Elizabeth would beg to differ. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #58

huh? Should she be referred to as the Coronation of the King? 2banon Apr 2016 #59

I agree Dem2 Apr 2016 #61

It was often used for Romney in 2012 . . . StrayKat Apr 2016 #62

I think I'll keep using coronation. HassleCat Apr 2016 #63

I have been on the fence on this one. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #66

Well, jeez, you know, what isn't sexist? tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #68

Paglia can choke on her own bile. It's not a coronation if a candidate is winning by a country mile. Beacool Apr 2016 #75

The election system is the worst of all modern nations. She has taken advantage of rhett o rick Apr 2016 #76

Oh please, enough with the eternal whining. Beacool Apr 2016 #99

As in libodem Apr 2016 #77

Too fuckin' bad. Splinter Cell Apr 2016 #90

Feminism is not a parlor game. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #94

great post! n/t PaulaFarrell Apr 2016 #113

Well done! Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #142

Wonderfully written post! All in it together Apr 2016 #151

that's another tremendously dangerous thing--that it hollows out feminism MisterP Apr 2016 #155

Brava, Peace Patriot! Amaril Apr 2016 #156

Agreed. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #97

'fraid not. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #101

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #102

A monarchy, atavistic? Bad Dog Apr 2016 #103

Face it, she hung not just her hat, but her entire wardrobe, on the idea that somehow just silvershadow Apr 2016 #104

If everything is sexist then nothing is. This is ridiculous and a desperate shoehorn TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #105

Surely you'll let us have Dynastic Presidency then. TalkingDog Apr 2016 #106

No, it's not. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #108

Want 'em to use the words "coronation" and "monarch" instead? bjo59 Apr 2016 #109

berniebros still a-ok 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #110

Sexist? pinebox Apr 2016 #112

Yes, it is. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #114

1. "coronation" is gender-neutral Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #116

I'm not sure if I would see it as sexist for the reasons mentioned Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #117

So, in a similar situation we couldn't use "coronation" and "king?" Vinca Apr 2016 #118

Trashing thread, thanks. closeupready Apr 2016 #119

Easily solved by the use of the gender neutral word 'Regent' Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #121

Bernie's got a solid health care plan that includes everyone, even the under insured. What's HRC DebDoo Apr 2016 #124

Anything to piss off Hillary supporters. It's a bit juvenile, but it motivates the Berners Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #126

Fully concur rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #127

And with that, ladies and gentlemen, the overeager use of the "sexism" accusation has finally been Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #129

Another steaming load of gender-baiting. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #130

Camille Pagila ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #131

Enough of calling everything "sexist". You are going to destroy that term, it will mean nothing pdsimdars Apr 2016 #132

They already have.... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #134

Hillbot's really classy, too, FYI. moriah Apr 2016 #154

Just more trash... quickesst Apr 2016 #138

Do you know what happened to the boy who cried wolf? Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #141

The same lack of mental discipline and education leading to "Messiah" in reference to Obama LanternWaste Apr 2016 #143

Silly. Orsino Apr 2016 #144

Stop. runaway hero Apr 2016 #146

no it isn't. With that logic she would be above all criticism because she's a woman. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #147

Please ask a multitude of people Aerows Apr 2016 #148

where does this pitousness come from? MisterP Apr 2016 #152

Queen refers to the Clinton Dynasty. There was a Bush Dynasty and there's WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #153

Al Gore was elected VP twice. The main job of VP is to be next in line. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #158

Nope. "Coronation" has been used for men, like Bush. In that case it's "King." Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #159

You're simply wrong about Gore. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #162