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Carolina

(6,960 posts)
63. There are no words, no
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:08 PM
Apr 2016

fucking excuse because:

Reason 1: Iraq did not attack the US; fifteen of the nineteen hijackers as well as Osama bin Laden were Saudi Arabian while the other four were from the UAE, Egypt, Yemen. They learned to fly here in the States (Florida, Arizona).

Reason 2: Iraq had been under horrific UN sanctions since the first Bush war on Iraq in 1991; so how could it have morphed into an imminent, mushroom cloud threat to the US in 2002 when IWR was being peddled

Reason 3: W's administration introduced IWR and demanded a vote on it right before the 2002 midterm elections. Wise men and women questioned the timing and the rush, but not those who voted aye... they had their eyes on being POTUS and cast calculating votes that reeked of political and moral cowardice.

Reason 4: Anyone who was paying attention knew about PNAC and therefore knew how the Bush cabal and Carlyle group had their eyes on carving up Iraq's oil fields. Clinton sure knew because the signers of PNAC policy papers wrote Bill seeking pre-emptive action while he was POTUS.

Reason 5: the Bush cabal STOLE the White House in 2000 precisely because they had their PNAC plans. Then, they ignored all the warnings/chatter leading up to 9/11 including the August 6th PDB. They allege they were blindsided and could not have foreseen such an attack. But that flies in the face of the fact that the airspace had to be closed around the G-8 summit in Genoa, Italy in July 2001 precisely because of terrorists' threats to fly planes into buildings! So therefore, why would any sentient 'leader' of the opposition party trust or "have good faith" in ANYTHING proposed by W

Reason 6: Anyone who knew history, knew that Reagan sold WMDs to Saddam/Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war (recall the photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand). So when Cheney took to the airwaves in 2002 talking about WMDs and said he knew where they were and how they'd been used against the Kurds, he was telling the truth... about 1988. He was using his dirty past to foment a new war for oil

Reason 7: the Bush cabal withdrew the weapons inspectors because they were not finding anything. Scott Ritter (who was smeared) and his fellow inspectors' findings would not/did not conform to the desired Bush narrative, so Colin Bowel sold his soul and did his 'tube' presentation to the UN

Reason 8: Citing the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, Robert Byrd gave an eloquent and passionate speech about lies that lead to war, about the waste of war, about the unintended consequences of war... and he challenged the rush to war. Bob Graham (who actually read the documents available to Congress) and Ted Kennedy spoke as well. Why didn't HRC listen to them rather than Bush or Cheney? No, she gave Bush bipartisan cover with her aye vote, and so she has blood on her hands, too!

Clearly the rationale for IWR was all a LIE, and if millions of citizens could see all this THEN, why not Clinton?! She voted aye, ran for POTUS and lost in large measure because of that vote. Votes have consequences and there is no apology large enough to cover a cowardly, finger-in-the-wind vote that has caused so much death, debt, destruction and destabilization (ISIS)!

Yet she repeated the mistake. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #1
3 guesses, first two don't count on that one. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #2
A half million children died Baobab Apr 2016 #36
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #6
Has Kerry repeated his mistake? HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #9
Hey Squinch, Carolina Apr 2016 #65
If you can't see the difference between Hillary and Trump, between a Supreme Court after Squinch Apr 2016 #70
Maybe you can vote for someone who laughs about dead children Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #84
Maybe you shouldn't make decisions based on bad editing of propaganda films. Squinch Apr 2016 #89
She was laughing about a mistake Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #93
Geez Carolina Apr 2016 #85
If that is the case, then I guess you don't see the difference in the country under the Bush and Squinch Apr 2016 #87
Thanks for posting! RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #3
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #7
“It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity," bahrbearian Apr 2016 #29
In other words, chance for massive crony capitalism. Baobab Apr 2016 #37
Hard choice. . . .she makes the same choice every time. . . Money vs. what's good for the country. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #4
Meanwhile, single-payer will "never, ever come to pass." RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #5
I believe she was talking about Sanders' plan Sparkly Apr 2016 #41
It's time to stop listening to people Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #88
. Sparkly Apr 2016 #94
Hillary's got everything Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #97
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #8
you must believe 3 times the charm (j/k) hollysmom Apr 2016 #12
No, it's just that, as we are on Democratic Underground, I assume all those people who are saying, Squinch Apr 2016 #47
I voted for Kerry. I always vote. hollysmom Apr 2016 #51
Me too. On both counts. Squinch Apr 2016 #54
I know Carolina Apr 2016 #90
? bahrbearian Apr 2016 #31
GWB kept promise to NY Sen. Clinton for $20 billion after 9/11 attack. oasis Apr 2016 #39
How much of the 20 billion went to the Clinton Foundation? bahrbearian Apr 2016 #40
New York bounced back. Hillary was the architect and New Yorkers oasis Apr 2016 #42
"Hillary was the architect"?! JackRiddler Apr 2016 #58
I'm only speaking for the New Yorkers who were eager to oasis Apr 2016 #64
Listening to Hillary laugh about her "hard choices" makes me want to vomit. democrank Apr 2016 #10
Agree 100%. Repulsive. Repeat of the Libya clip. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #13
Since when was "I regret my mistake" a basis for promotion? leveymg Apr 2016 #11
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #15
Did Hillary vote for Bush ? bahrbearian Apr 2016 #34
Horribly misleading editing. Sparkly Apr 2016 #14
Terribly effective editing. leveymg Apr 2016 #16
It's called agitprop. Sparkly Apr 2016 #38
Nobody would ever assume it's objective and balanced. Call it agitprop. But, it's still accurate leveymg Apr 2016 #52
It is not accurate. Sparkly Apr 2016 #53
If it's factual, it's accurate. There is no such thing as objective political communication. leveymg Apr 2016 #57
Nope, it's cherry-picking -- it is MORE than spun. Sparkly Apr 2016 #59
It's a representative sampling of an ugly side of HRC that is evident to everyone leveymg Apr 2016 #100
Misleading? liberalnarb Apr 2016 #19
Yea but the people killed Gwhittey Apr 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2016 #17
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #26
I didn't vote for Bush bahrbearian Apr 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2016 #44
Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT Jokerman Apr 2016 #18
I was juror #3 liberalnarb Apr 2016 #20
Wow FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #23
Factional Alert Abuse. leveymg Apr 2016 #24
She's just advertising her impeccable foreign policy experience...at making "mistakes" and CYA. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #21
Damn. That clip does bring back some really harsh memories! 7wo7rees Apr 2016 #22
Yeah, George Jr. also played the "hard man making hard choices" card. Maedhros Apr 2016 #25
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author elehhhhna Apr 2016 #30
I'll take that as a "Yes." Squinch Apr 2016 #45
Did you vote for Bush? bahrbearian Apr 2016 #33
Nope. I voted for Kerry. How about you? Squinch Apr 2016 #46
I voted for Bush in 2000 Gwhittey Apr 2016 #61
Forgive me if I don't use you as my political guru. Squinch Apr 2016 #69
Ok I re read my post 3 times now Gwhittey Apr 2016 #71
No, it's not about being cool. It's about being stunned that someone who voted for Bush Squinch Apr 2016 #73
Maybe if you served in Military you would understand Gwhittey Apr 2016 #74
Ah, I see. Only you understand... No one but you understands. Those who disagree with you are, Squinch Apr 2016 #75
I'm done ignore boy Gwhittey Apr 2016 #76
Imagine my despair. See ya. Squinch Apr 2016 #77
Wasn't hard for me. I called it from my living room. Within minutes. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #28
Videos like this are less than worthless. A bunch of out of context snippets. YouDig Apr 2016 #35
Welcome to DU. Happy one week anniversary. nt nichomachus Apr 2016 #50
Voting for war is always a hard choice. I'm sure it was hard for Bernie to vote for war Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #43
Do you have the video of him cackling about it? nt nichomachus Apr 2016 #49
Not a hard choice at all. Afghanstan was harboring the guy that LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #55
"Iraq was...well, nothing. " Gwhittey Apr 2016 #62
Indeed. And some posters point out, Hill got $20B for NYC. LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #66
Should she not have gotten the funding to rebuild the site of the worst attack on US soil ever? Squinch Apr 2016 #72
In exchange for supporting Iraq? LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #79
Well, that's just a whole lotta bullshit, now isn't it? Squinch Apr 2016 #80
In your opinion, if Hillary got up on the Senate floor and argued against the Iraq war LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #83
New York had just been bombed. That's why she got $20 billion. Take your bullshit Squinch Apr 2016 #86
So then it had nothing to do with Hillary? NY had just been bombed, so Bush was going to LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #91
Here. Read snopes. Squinch Apr 2016 #96
Snopes says that Clinton did not admit to a quid pro quo. LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #98
Except everyone with an IQ over 80 was able to distinguish between Afghanistan and Iraq. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #56
Much like Dick Cheney, many Hillary fans want to forget that LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #81
Not even close to being the same thing. NWCorona Apr 2016 #68
I don't want to hear a goddamn thing Aerows Apr 2016 #48
There are no words, no Carolina Apr 2016 #63
Lets stop the crap right? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #67
Voiting to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 was the right thing LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #92
Oh puhleeze Carolina Apr 2016 #95
This stream has shown me why the U.N. has problems!! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #78
I called it correctly from my easy chair, before sundown that day. I was right. She wasn't. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #82
I'm still waiting... moondust Apr 2016 #99
Wrong on virtually everything. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #101
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