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Carolina

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95. Oh puhleeze
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:18 PM
Apr 2016

Kerry cast a politically calculating vote for war that was all the more egregious because he knew war and the legacy of a wasteful, wrong war. As a result throughout the 2004 campaign, he ended up twisting himself in knots trying to explain and justify the unjustifiable.

But back in 2004, many of us held our noses and voted for him because we still had HOPE. The US had only been in Iraq for one year and Afghanistan for 3. The crash due to Clinton's reversal of Glass-Steagall hadn't happened and Honduras, Libya and Syria hadn't occurred.

But now we see the Corporatists, the MIC and the pols on both sides of the aisle who are bought and paid for by them more clearly, and there is no more voting for the not-so-lesser of two evils. In fact, the duplicity of Dems like HRC is worse than repukes because of their lip service to Democratic principles and values while they ultimately upend the New Deal, the Fair Deal, the New Frontier and the Great Society.

Yet she repeated the mistake. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #1
3 guesses, first two don't count on that one. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #2
A half million children died Baobab Apr 2016 #36
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #6
Has Kerry repeated his mistake? HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #9
Hey Squinch, Carolina Apr 2016 #65
If you can't see the difference between Hillary and Trump, between a Supreme Court after Squinch Apr 2016 #70
Maybe you can vote for someone who laughs about dead children Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #84
Maybe you shouldn't make decisions based on bad editing of propaganda films. Squinch Apr 2016 #89
She was laughing about a mistake Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #93
Geez Carolina Apr 2016 #85
If that is the case, then I guess you don't see the difference in the country under the Bush and Squinch Apr 2016 #87
Thanks for posting! RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #3
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #7
“It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity," bahrbearian Apr 2016 #29
In other words, chance for massive crony capitalism. Baobab Apr 2016 #37
Hard choice. . . .she makes the same choice every time. . . Money vs. what's good for the country. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #4
Meanwhile, single-payer will "never, ever come to pass." RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #5
I believe she was talking about Sanders' plan Sparkly Apr 2016 #41
It's time to stop listening to people Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #88
. Sparkly Apr 2016 #94
Hillary's got everything Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #97
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #8
you must believe 3 times the charm (j/k) hollysmom Apr 2016 #12
No, it's just that, as we are on Democratic Underground, I assume all those people who are saying, Squinch Apr 2016 #47
I voted for Kerry. I always vote. hollysmom Apr 2016 #51
Me too. On both counts. Squinch Apr 2016 #54
I know Carolina Apr 2016 #90
? bahrbearian Apr 2016 #31
GWB kept promise to NY Sen. Clinton for $20 billion after 9/11 attack. oasis Apr 2016 #39
How much of the 20 billion went to the Clinton Foundation? bahrbearian Apr 2016 #40
New York bounced back. Hillary was the architect and New Yorkers oasis Apr 2016 #42
"Hillary was the architect"?! JackRiddler Apr 2016 #58
I'm only speaking for the New Yorkers who were eager to oasis Apr 2016 #64
Listening to Hillary laugh about her "hard choices" makes me want to vomit. democrank Apr 2016 #10
Agree 100%. Repulsive. Repeat of the Libya clip. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #13
Since when was "I regret my mistake" a basis for promotion? leveymg Apr 2016 #11
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #15
Did Hillary vote for Bush ? bahrbearian Apr 2016 #34
Horribly misleading editing. Sparkly Apr 2016 #14
Terribly effective editing. leveymg Apr 2016 #16
It's called agitprop. Sparkly Apr 2016 #38
Nobody would ever assume it's objective and balanced. Call it agitprop. But, it's still accurate leveymg Apr 2016 #52
It is not accurate. Sparkly Apr 2016 #53
If it's factual, it's accurate. There is no such thing as objective political communication. leveymg Apr 2016 #57
Nope, it's cherry-picking -- it is MORE than spun. Sparkly Apr 2016 #59
It's a representative sampling of an ugly side of HRC that is evident to everyone leveymg Apr 2016 #100
Misleading? liberalnarb Apr 2016 #19
Yea but the people killed Gwhittey Apr 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2016 #17
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #26
I didn't vote for Bush bahrbearian Apr 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2016 #44
Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT Jokerman Apr 2016 #18
I was juror #3 liberalnarb Apr 2016 #20
Wow FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #23
Factional Alert Abuse. leveymg Apr 2016 #24
She's just advertising her impeccable foreign policy experience...at making "mistakes" and CYA. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #21
Damn. That clip does bring back some really harsh memories! 7wo7rees Apr 2016 #22
Yeah, George Jr. also played the "hard man making hard choices" card. Maedhros Apr 2016 #25
Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author elehhhhna Apr 2016 #30
I'll take that as a "Yes." Squinch Apr 2016 #45
Did you vote for Bush? bahrbearian Apr 2016 #33
Nope. I voted for Kerry. How about you? Squinch Apr 2016 #46
I voted for Bush in 2000 Gwhittey Apr 2016 #61
Forgive me if I don't use you as my political guru. Squinch Apr 2016 #69
Ok I re read my post 3 times now Gwhittey Apr 2016 #71
No, it's not about being cool. It's about being stunned that someone who voted for Bush Squinch Apr 2016 #73
Maybe if you served in Military you would understand Gwhittey Apr 2016 #74
Ah, I see. Only you understand... No one but you understands. Those who disagree with you are, Squinch Apr 2016 #75
I'm done ignore boy Gwhittey Apr 2016 #76
Imagine my despair. See ya. Squinch Apr 2016 #77
Wasn't hard for me. I called it from my living room. Within minutes. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #28
Videos like this are less than worthless. A bunch of out of context snippets. YouDig Apr 2016 #35
Welcome to DU. Happy one week anniversary. nt nichomachus Apr 2016 #50
Voting for war is always a hard choice. I'm sure it was hard for Bernie to vote for war Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #43
Do you have the video of him cackling about it? nt nichomachus Apr 2016 #49
Not a hard choice at all. Afghanstan was harboring the guy that LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #55
"Iraq was...well, nothing. " Gwhittey Apr 2016 #62
Indeed. And some posters point out, Hill got $20B for NYC. LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #66
Should she not have gotten the funding to rebuild the site of the worst attack on US soil ever? Squinch Apr 2016 #72
In exchange for supporting Iraq? LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #79
Well, that's just a whole lotta bullshit, now isn't it? Squinch Apr 2016 #80
In your opinion, if Hillary got up on the Senate floor and argued against the Iraq war LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #83
New York had just been bombed. That's why she got $20 billion. Take your bullshit Squinch Apr 2016 #86
So then it had nothing to do with Hillary? NY had just been bombed, so Bush was going to LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #91
Here. Read snopes. Squinch Apr 2016 #96
Snopes says that Clinton did not admit to a quid pro quo. LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #98
Except everyone with an IQ over 80 was able to distinguish between Afghanistan and Iraq. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #56
Much like Dick Cheney, many Hillary fans want to forget that LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #81
Not even close to being the same thing. NWCorona Apr 2016 #68
I don't want to hear a goddamn thing Aerows Apr 2016 #48
There are no words, no Carolina Apr 2016 #63
Lets stop the crap right? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #67
Voiting to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 was the right thing LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #92
Oh puhleeze Carolina Apr 2016 #95
This stream has shown me why the U.N. has problems!! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #78
I called it correctly from my easy chair, before sundown that day. I was right. She wasn't. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #82
I'm still waiting... moondust Apr 2016 #99
Wrong on virtually everything. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #101
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