2016 Postmortem

procon

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85. Oh, it is slowly moving left.

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:15 AM

Apr 2016

By incremental degrees instead of a revolution, and patiently convincing and reassuring skeptical voters. Its happening at a calm and steady pace, ushering the long time Democratic base voters into the leftward tilting party's changing framework that Bernie Sander's inspired. It won't happen overnight, but it takes time to build that all important solid foundation that is necessary to install a permanent change.

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For one brief shining moment, I thought the Dem party had really moved left [View all] Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 OP

We are a party of moderates--Let the Republicans be the fringe party Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #1

Nonsense words. morningfog Apr 2016 #2

If more proof was ever needed, this would be it. TM99 Apr 2016 #8

And people like yourself keep facilitating a further push to the right. Broward Apr 2016 #17

Hope you aren't too attached to your SS benefits dragonfly301 Apr 2016 #27

Thus speaketh Rush Limbaugh. leftofcool Apr 2016 #114

No. Unless you mean he would be cheering on the cuts... dragonfly301 Apr 2016 #115

Corporate Center Right is not moderate -- unless one is a conservative Republican Armstead Apr 2016 #51

I heard that too, Rush Limbaugh says the same thing. B Calm Apr 2016 #65

Sounds to me like you are the real Republicans KPN Apr 2016 #77

And this is why we fail Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #129

If the Democratic Party is a party of moderates, there's a vacuum on the left Thirties Child Apr 2016 #136

'Moderate' means you're only "half-way" batshit rightwing crazy? John Poet Apr 2016 #142

Some people seem to be satisfied with just Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #143

Money talks -- & can buy anything pacalo Apr 2016 #3

but money can buy cake which is almost the same thing Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2016 #95

Cake works for me... pacalo Apr 2016 #119

It has moved left gollygee Apr 2016 #4

This is the correct answer. woolldog Apr 2016 #20

this is true-- and the young generation gives me a lot of hope Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #29

I hope you're right! I want to think that this is a real Svafa Apr 2016 #105

Go Bernie liberal from boston Apr 2016 #138

No, the voters have, but the party establishment has not. 2banon May 2016 #152

Nope. 99Forever Apr 2016 #5

Organize at your state and county level votesparks Apr 2016 #14

Been there, done that. 99Forever Apr 2016 #25

"ALL politics is more corrupt than ever" BillZBubb Apr 2016 #126

I spent a lifetime watching it slide into the slime pit. 99Forever Apr 2016 #144

maybe... but I live in a very red area. I just don't see how a Dem/liberal can ever get elected here Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #30

I think we're more like a party that is fractured...... seekthetruth Apr 2016 #6

I do have a lot of hope for the younger generation and I hope they stay engaged Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #31

The younger generation is coming up quickly COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #50

Really? Bayard Apr 2016 #73

Perhaps the same way we all did??? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #94

So you moved back home nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #102

Do you really believe that most people in their 20's are doing that? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #109

A larger percentage than they used to nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #118

It may be we have reached the point where too many people are COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #130

It is the whole shebang including making far less nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #132

Statistics demonstrating that today's graduates are making COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #139

That strikes me as naive. KPN Apr 2016 #80

I had no idea the younger generation supported more wars in the middle east, fracking, LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #98

I don't think they think much about the Middle East and/or cluster bombs. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #111

You think wrong. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #148

I didn't intend to include military in my statement. I was referring to young civilians. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #149

There is still hope TrueDemVA Apr 2016 #7

I'm with you on that one. KPN Apr 2016 #81

Yeah, I'm still trying to digest the fact that... tom-servo Apr 2016 #9

Yep! Welcome to DU by the way! Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #32

Thanks for the welcome, and... tom-servo May 2016 #150

Psst. The Democrats are not a liberal party anymore.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #110

Nice first post! BillZBubb Apr 2016 #128

The Klintoon's have thier hooks so deep into the DNC/DLC that it will take years to purge them. Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #10

No, they are aging out quickly. Barack_America Apr 2016 #15

Don't put all of us Boomers in that category please Armstead Apr 2016 #54

Not so fast on the Clintons aging out quickly BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #67

Chelsea is ripe for Congress/Senate and then she'll be headed for POTUS 2banon May 2016 #154

Yeah, we need another Mezvinsky in the House. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #159

He almost made Bill look like an honest man BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #160

Really? The "Klintoons"? That's what poster on Free Republic call the Clintons. auntpurl Apr 2016 #40

You never learn, Charlie Brown Fumesucker Apr 2016 #11

haha, good analogy Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #33

Our fellow dems have spoken. And they have no... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #12

exactly-- this is what really gets me. Pro-war Democrats really make me Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #35

You might need to see a doctor about that COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #52

We've been working on the cure noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #61

One day... very soon now... just wait... it's coming... any day now... COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #62

Foolish Partisan noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #71

I really appreciate your concern. What's happening in the country is more COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #96

Sleep walling though history nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #120

All temporary without any lasting effects. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #125

Hmm I am sure glad the 1740s generation gave up nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #131

I think you're being overly dramatic. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #133

Best case he is in the 1740s for the elite that is nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #134

Time will tell. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #135

And the Sun came up and the village was saved. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #113

LOL. I should probably just avoid politics. Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #90

EXCELLENT. I think we both probably should. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #92

most of them supported bush on everything he was doing Robbins Apr 2016 #48

See this is where you get it wrong jzodda Apr 2016 #56

About 40-45 percent there votesparks Apr 2016 #13

ah that song-- so many memories! Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #36

Yeah, we saw how that story turned out. nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #93

If I may be blunt, every presidential election, 4 years worth of young, liberal... Barack_America Apr 2016 #16

Good analysis. It's is sad that such a flawed human being, though, might become JimDandy Apr 2016 #24

The problem with your analysis auntpurl Apr 2016 #38

At 64 I have learned what a long-term disaster "Third Way" policies are Armstead Apr 2016 #55

I thought both Clinton and Obama were excellent presidents auntpurl Apr 2016 #59

Depends on what level you're talking about Armstead Apr 2016 #66

Well, you thought wrong then! KPN Apr 2016 #82

Yes, the trend is good Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #39

That's the problem BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #68

The party hasn't. The public has. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #18

It has. Bernie has moved the party left. Onlooker Apr 2016 #19

And it will stay there for at least a week, maybe even two. hatrack Apr 2016 #21

True! I am encouraged. I never expected Bernie to do this well. mvd Apr 2016 #23

The country has moved left. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #22

The party reflects the people. Or it will, eventually, if it wants to compete. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #26

Yup, and it will not be pleasant for the old cranks nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #121

Change is hard. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #123

Yep...not hard for ALL the old cranks though. Many are on board, ready to rock and roll! nt haikugal May 2016 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #28

what does less white have to do with being less liberal? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #44

Bernie couldn't deliver???? KPN Apr 2016 #83

Thanks for that, I never think of Seattle for some reason nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #122

and then you go to GDP and see all the Conservative posts supporting Hillary B Calm Apr 2016 #34

The Dem party is now where republicans used to be. vintx Apr 2016 #37

Spot on! KPN Apr 2016 #84

hmm, interesting thought Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #89

Obama taught us how hollow that is...another myth used to control us. haikugal May 2016 #155

We've become the party of Bob Dole LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #99

Only a temporary move left to pick up votes. Vinca Apr 2016 #41

if Hillary moved left in this campaign, I'm a bit afraid of what her moving back right means Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #43

What do you think? One step forward, two steps back. Vinca Apr 2016 #45

Last time I felt this "meh" about a presidential election, eShirl Apr 2016 #46

The country has moved left. The Dem Party has moved their language left while Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #47

more Robbins Apr 2016 #49

Regrettably I agree with you Armstead Apr 2016 #58

Just Donated $50 noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #53

We are a country with a two party system. Sanders' supporters discount the millions that vote Trust Buster Apr 2016 #57

Pot, meet kettle. KPN Apr 2016 #86

Crazy Republicans and New Republicans LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #100

It's center-left vs far left. Some people call anything short of the extreme left "the right". CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #60

Haha. KPN Apr 2016 #87

We can't say silent on issues My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #63

You are correct...I tried to stir up interest in the Cable Merger but crickets Armstead Apr 2016 #70

You can't build a national movement workinclasszero Apr 2016 #64

Clinton did an excellent job at artificially separating the tent into different sections Armstead Apr 2016 #69

Yes, we've thoroughly sliced and diced the demographics into who supports whom My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #72

You..the "revolutionaries" were the ones throwing bombs into the tent workinclasszero Apr 2016 #74

I'm a moderate liberal -- but in this climate that makes me "far left" Armstead Apr 2016 #76

For that matter they told actual POC that they do not care about either racism or POC nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #124

They don't want to understand because doing so forjusticethunders May 2016 #158

Bernie wasn't the one attacking his opponent's supporters for their race and gender jfern Apr 2016 #127

Bernie made me a male under 30 & turned my sister white Kittycat Apr 2016 #140

I am absolutely not moving to the right with the Democratic Party. djean111 Apr 2016 #75

100% agree LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #101

It has moved left demwing Apr 2016 #78

The Party is not the same as the voters. djean111 Apr 2016 #106

Fair enough demwing Apr 2016 #107

Yes, but the voters don't really get to tell the Party what to do, and the union leaders djean111 Apr 2016 #108

Do not underestimate the power of propaganda. Maedhros Apr 2016 #112

The voters are moving left and the party leadership is moving right Mnpaul Apr 2016 #116

So who's appointed next? Bayard Apr 2016 #79

War is our only job program for our young. It's bread and circuses for the USA...boy, we're haikugal May 2016 #156

Oh, it is slowly moving left. procon Apr 2016 #85

Ppsshaw!!! It has moved left! KPN Apr 2016 #88

K & R for visibility of this N/T w0nderer Apr 2016 #91

It has moved left, just not as far as Sanders. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #97

LMAO. Yes, the Democratic President that described his own LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #103

I think we would have if the media hadn't deemed Sanders a fringe candidate for the fir 6 months intheflow Apr 2016 #104

Democrats and people in general have moved left. Party and politicians and those who want to Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #117

The Dem party is too scared to win. basselope Apr 2016 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #141

The Left in the Democratic Party found a voice CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #145

How many Sanders delegates will be helping to write the platform? Orsino Apr 2016 #146

this is true-- I don't discount the enormous influence Bernie has had and I hope continues to have Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #147

Assuming that the Anybody-but-Trump Republicans don't take over the Democratic Party w4rma May 2016 #151

Her status a front runner is complete AstroTurf... haikugal May 2016 #157