2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: To my fellow Hillary supporters: this isn't the time to gloat. [View all]The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff (especially socialism), but he is clearly a decent and kind man. But mere alerts are not the smack downs that these lies have coming. We need to know the answers to these lies and practice them here before in public. They will be repeated.
Here is my reply to the lie that she is about to be indicted:
The Sanders supporters don't seem to understand (or want to understand) that the FBI investigates what it is told to, and doesn't have the power to indict anybody. The DOJ has the power to bring to a grand jury (in D.C. in this case) in a secret proceeding, the secrecy of which cannot be broken in any way by the government, but by an accused only, and to ask the grand jury (of 24 local citizens serving for a year) to follow the recommendation of the prosecutor (the US Attorney for D.C.) as to whether they believe they have enough evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty such that the accused should be put to a trial. There is no target person of this FBI investigation. Neither Hillary Clinton, nor any of her assistants. There is no evidence they sought to mishandle information, nor that any information fell into the wrong hands, nor that there was such intent, when intent is critical. Hillary Clinton asked that an adequate server be set up and relied on experts to do so. Perhaps one of those experts over-represented his/her qualifications, even so, it would be stretching it to call it fraud.
For Fox and some of Sanders irresponsible supporters (not all of them) to insist that this is criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt that 24 citizens of DC would be led by the US Attorney to return an indictment on is, in the case of legal and political experts, a fraud on the public. No one with any expertise sincerely thinks this is going to happen, particularly in view of how the Benghazi committee had its ass seriously kicked by Hillary Clinton when she was under oath and not entitled to formally fight back on this issue. The non-expert might be forgiven for not knowing all these things and buying the propagandist lies because they haven't thought it through.
An indictment would require proving for 24 DC residents, by the US Attorney, that Hillary Clinton acted in bad faith in setting up a server similar to her predecessors for the same purpose and charging Colin Powell and Condi Rice too. This DOJ has preserved the long American tradition of not crapping all over public servants acting in good faith in doing their jobs. The only exceptions made have been people who deliberately compromised intelligence operations (Scooter Libby with the Plame affair) and whistleblowers who went to the press rather than through channels.
In short, people who think that Loretta Lynch is going to indict Hillary Clinton are completely out of their fucking stupid and ignorant minds because (1) the evidence isn't there; (2) we don't do that in this country (see the ancient Greeks for why not; (3) it is politically unlikely by the US Attorney and the DC residents.
If a lot of people ignore the facts and abuse their power (like Trey Gowdy and Fox News), it could happen in the same way that I could win the Powerball if I bought a ticket.
Now, if the Attorney General were a Republican, I could see it happening for political reasons. But she isn't.
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