2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: To my fellow Hillary supporters: this isn't the time to gloat. [View all]Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I tend to give a lot of leeway towards supporters, as I know they can be emotional and take things deeply and personal.
Campaign operatives, and the candidates themselves however, I will excoriate them for bad behavior.
I have also noticed, that when I do respond, my responses tend to be a bit more loquacious and I do try to be fair. Sadly, that also means I don't get much responses, though that is also a function of the lateness of my replies.
In 2008, I supported her before Obama, as I considered him untrustworthy, an unknown, and I particularly did not like his voting record which was voting "Present" rather than "Yay or Nay" in regards to complicated and sensational issues. It pretty much gave me the impression that he doesn't take a stand when negotiating, and as such will be weak. I also did not think that him going after her for the Iraq War vote was right, as the house and senate at that point was given misleading, incomplete and doctored information and John Kerry had the same position, and I admire John Kerry. Regardless, Iraq and the Middle East was one of the least important issues to me, as I generally think(and still do) that whatever action the US will take would be based on the situation on the ground, and all of the candidates would act in a very similar way. The only thing that I was concerned about, was if they were Hawkish and wish to expand on the war or not. I did not realize how Hawkish Clinton is, and I didn't realize how Obama is so willing to use the Drone program which really is unsustainable and only engenders us more enemies.
Another reason I supported her in 2008 was that she had the better contacts to be able to fill her cabinet quickly, which Obama did not have, and as such kept many of the Republican appointees in place, which sought to undermine him.
Needless to say, they were BOTH my last choice in 2008 for the Democrats. Due to that, Unaffiliated that I was, I gave everyone a fair and honest assessment. I will be doing that again come November by the way. I will give everyone a fair assessment, no matter which party(though I will never vote 3rd party). I have been voting straight Democrat lately(other than a few Independents on local races), as I consider the Republicans have lost it, and I do not want to give them any sort of legitimacy by winning the Presidency. You are right however... It is getting harder and harder to say that I will vote for her if she becomes the nominee.
In any case, let me quote one of my recent posts:
So just please keep that in mind, since there is a huge distrust towards Clinton.