Independents are the people whose votes you need to win (Reply #3)

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Mon May 2, 2016, 08:41 PM

3. Independents are the people whose votes you need to win

The author of the OP is obviously a person who wants Democrats to lose every single election because it is impossible to win an election without independent votes.

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88 replies	Author	Time	Post
Who are "independents" really? Unbiased, critical thinkers? [View all]	Garrett78	May 2016	OP
OMG!!!	guytonfox	May 2016	#1
Hello.	bigwillq	May 2016	#18
Some just dont feel represented by the parties in power	ShrimpPoboy	May 2016	#2
Agreed, it's not a monolithic group.	Garrett78	May 2016	#15
Independents are the people whose votes you need to win	Bjorn Against	May 2016	#3
I'm not sure where you get the idea that I want Democrats to lose every single election.	Garrett78	May 2016	#10
Well you are not going to get any independent votes if Democrats push crap like we see in the OP	Bjorn Against	May 2016	#14
What's insulting about my OP?	Garrett78	May 2016	#16
The fact that you suggest they are a myth is insulting	Bjorn Against	May 2016	#17
I put the term in quotes because clearly not all are "independent" in any true sense.	Garrett78	May 2016	#21
If a person does not belong to a political party they are an independent	Bjorn Against	May 2016	#26
Sure.	Garrett78	May 2016	#29
What? The OP is not saying that at all.	brush	May 2016	#51
Yeah, I addressed that above.	Garrett78	May 2016	#57
And they are the largest of the electorate at 44% of all voters.	floriduck	May 2016	#79
They aren't united, though.	Garrett78	May 2016	#81
I agree. But that could change based on the bizarre nature of this years election. nm	floriduck	May 2016	#82
Most "Independents" I've met are Libertarians. Most of them are racist and callous.	Hoyt	May 2016	#4
Might have a lot to do with it. nt	villager	May 2016	#7
People who refuse to vote for labels and think for themselves.	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#5
That applies across the spectrum.	Garrett78	May 2016	#19
It would be interesting to see a long term	sadoldgirl	May 2016	#6
It would.	Garrett78	May 2016	#23
People like me, who have been loyal Democrats for over 4 decades,	Zorra	May 2016	#8
I can't recall making a pro-Clinton post.	Garrett78	May 2016	#12
I am registered as "unaffiliated", or independent of any party. Life member of int'l union,....	dmosh42	May 2016	#83
Then there are those of us who think the Democrats really suck, and the Republicans...	immoderate	May 2016	#9
+++	frylock	May 2016	#13
What are your interests?	Garrett78	May 2016	#20
Fair wages, fair trade, renewable energy, common-sense drug laws, non-interventionism.	frylock	May 2016	#22
Sounds like Green Party to me. FWIW, I support those things, as well.	Garrett78	May 2016	#25
I register as a Democrat. I mostly dislike the Democrats but...	immoderate	May 2016	#41
Sounds like Bernie to me. And my issues as well.	JudyM	May 2016	#40
I'm registered as 'No Party Preference' because I have no Party preference.	frylock	May 2016	#11
Blowing in the wind.	LiberalFighter	May 2016	#24
"Or because they are 'liberal' on some issues and 'conservative' on others."	CompanyFirstSergeant	May 2016	#27
Or...they are just simply able to think for themselves without having to be told how to think. n/t	michaz	May 2016	#28
See post #19.	Garrett78	May 2016	#30
Guess this proves my point! n/t	michaz	May 2016	#32
Which is what?	Garrett78	May 2016	#34
Some people are better at thinking for themselves than others.	michaz	May 2016	#37
I don't have much issue with any of what you just wrote.	Garrett78	May 2016	#38
And add all that to being able to think for themselves and you will have it.	michaz	May 2016	#39
Okay.	Garrett78	May 2016	#42
Obviously any one that chooses to can be an independent. It is their choice. But	michaz	May 2016	#46
Some people are just not that engaged...	Yurovsky	May 2016	#31
Absolutely.	Garrett78	May 2016	#33
They are 40% of the electorate	AgingAmerican	May 2016	#35
But most typically vote for one party or the other.	Garrett78	May 2016	#36
They are 40% of the electorate	AgingAmerican	May 2016	#45
Yet most are, in fact, party loyalists.	Garrett78	May 2016	#56
Some people are registered Independents because they are sick to death of the	bjo59	May 2016	#43
I'm an indy	pinebox	May 2016	#44
Registrared Green for over twenty years but changed it to (D) for Bernie in California	nolabels	May 2016	#48
Most Dems favor all those things you listed	brush	May 2016	#53
me too and I'm with you 100%	dana_b	May 2016	#63
Independents are fashionistas.	randome	May 2016	#47
Well. Do you want to offend an entire voting bloc?	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#49
Wasn't the point of the OP that independents aren't actually a bloc in any real sense?	nemo137	May 2016	#55
Exactly.	Garrett78	May 2016	#58
Interestingly,	LWolf	May 2016	#50
I don't think you can generalize that way. People are independent for all kinds of reasons.	yellowcanine	May 2016	#52
I've done the exact opposite of "generalize" in both the OP and throughout this thread.	Garrett78	May 2016	#60
The many independents I know are thoughtful, discerning free thinkers	democrank	May 2016	#54
I am unenrolled but never call myself an independent. I do have a bias for Dems as that is the only	seaglass	May 2016	#59
Agreed.	Garrett78	May 2016	#61
No they are not a voting bloc. Trying to create a political party around independents would be	seaglass	May 2016	#62
"because they think it gives the impression that they are unbiased, critical thinkers"	dana_b	May 2016	#64
Do you really not think that's true for some who self-identify as "independent?"	Garrett78	May 2016	#65
your entire post is insulting to indys n/t	dana_b	May 2016	#66
You didn't answer my question.	Garrett78	May 2016	#67
I never suggested any such thing	dana_b	May 2016	#68
If I give a variety of reasons why people self-identify as "independent"...	Garrett78	May 2016	#70
Or we're to the left of both major parties. eom	TransitJohn	May 2016	#69
There is no "we," though.	Garrett78	May 2016	#72
So I'm not allowed to include myself in a group I self identify with?	TransitJohn	May 2016	#73
Of course you can.	Garrett78	May 2016	#76
You exposed your limited thought process. Oops!	pdsimdars	May 2016	#71
By pointing out that there are a variety of reasons why people self-identify as "independent?"	Garrett78	May 2016	#74
They are a group of voters the majority of whom will not vote for Clinton...	leeroysphitz	May 2016	#75
Just as a majority didn't vote for Obama in 2012.	Garrett78	May 2016	#77
Are party loyalists unbiased? Are they critical thinkers when they vote for a label?	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#78
It's hard to say.	Garrett78	May 2016	#80
There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#84
Agreed.	Garrett78	May 2016	#85
Does it matter? They represent 39% of the voting public, and Socialism appeals to them.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#86
Socialism appeals to some of them.	Garrett78	May 2016	#87
Enough do that it's vitally important to the DNC and the Clinton campaign to keep them out. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#88

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