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2016 Postmortem

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realmirage

(2,117 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:53 PM May 2016

Ted Kennedy, Bernie, and history repeating itself right now [View all]

We are witnessing history repeating itself. In 1979 Ted Kennedy ran against Jimmy Carter for the Democratic Primary. Some of the parallels:, Kennedy insisted there was no difference between Carter and Reagan (as many BS supporters claim), he demanded that the Democratic Party steer further left, claimed he cared more about the poor than Carter, he gave a bad interview that hurt his campaign (like Bernie in NY) won some big states in the primary, but never caught up to Carter’s delegate lead. He then went to the convention and demanded that the delegates turn away from the winner, and vote for him instead.

He gave what many consider the greatest speech of his life, and then what happened?

Reagan defeated Carter and ushered in trickle-down economics and a new era of wealth inequality that lasts to this day, among other severe damage to the country. Kennedy’s “revolution” never materialized, but future presidents like Bill Clinton did their best to work within the system as it exists (the only way to accomplish anything) to reverse as much of the damage as possible done by Republicans since 1980.

Here we stand today, another “revolution” railing against the Democratic Party because it has not managed to perform every miracle with a Republican Congress blocking nearly every move. Some in this revolution even WANT Donald Trump to win in order to “wake the people up.”

What the people “woke up” to in 1980 was the beginning of the Reagan Era. No revolution.

You might argue that Carter brought it on himself by not being a stronger candidate. But to argue that Hillary would be responsible for her own loss, and fighting against her while the Republicans gather their troops, you are ignoring the cliff you are helping dangle the country from by not making Trump the target.

What Democrats have right now is a steady path toward the promised land with Hillary continuing the work that Obama started after 8 destructive years of Bush. After that, perhaps the country WILL finally be ready to go the final miles to reach Democratic Socialism. However, some in the “revolution” have no patience and instead want a repeat of 1980. They will most likely cause a reversal of the progress we’ve made. They’ll undermine the DNC in the hopes of a future that will, rather than be a “waking up” of the American people, be a repeat of the decades after Reagan was sworn into office. The proof of this is the blue collar Republicans supporting not Bernie, but Donald Trump with so much vigor, a tow truck driver won’t even tow a car that has a Bernie sticker on it.

The era of Trump will make the era of Reagan look like Disneyland. Get on board with Hillary or repeat history and hope we don’t destroy ourselves this time.

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Or the analogy is that Obama and Clinton Eric J in MN May 2016 #1
Nope Demsrule86 May 2016 #5
Carter november3rd May 2016 #12
Your posts are ridiculous. Hyperbole wrapped in hyperventilating. cali May 2016 #14
No it wasn't Demsrule86 May 2016 #39
Bernie with the protests? farleftlib May 2016 #49
Kennedy got in because Carter was seen as vulnerable in the general karynnj May 2016 #22
Kennedy lead to Reagan... Demsrule86 May 2016 #40
Did you look at the Gallup poll at all? karynnj May 2016 #41
Kennedy wrecked Carter's chances Demsrule86 May 2016 #45
Even Carter disagrees with you zipplewrath May 2016 #54
SCORES of Democratic congressman and senators, John Poet May 2016 #59
This is a much more accurate analogy mythology May 2016 #35
Obama was under 50% when he began to run in 12 Demsrule86 May 2016 #46
Already there. forjusticethunders May 2016 #2
The problems with revolutions is that they create chaos Fresh_Start May 2016 #3
Look up the revolution sanders brought to Burlington Armstead May 2016 #8
you can't seriously be comparing that with the US as a whole. Fresh_Start May 2016 #9
You said revolutions like Sanders only cause chaos Armstead May 2016 #24
I actually didn't say "like Sanders" Fresh_Start May 2016 #30
Did the trains run on time? november3rd May 2016 #13
And you'd prefer trains not run on time? Armstead May 2016 #25
What utter garbage. Do educate yourself. All revolutions are not the same. cali May 2016 #15
why don't you put together a list of non-chaotic revolutions Fresh_Start May 2016 #18
To reinforce what she said...revolutions are not all the same+ Armstead May 2016 #26
making a statement without supporting information Fresh_Start May 2016 #31
So why are you doing it? Armstead May 2016 #32
Just to begin with, the technology revolution cali May 2016 #34
The buggy makers and those whose jobs are being replaced with automation would disagree with you mythology May 2016 #36
Trump is essentially using the divide and conquer strategies Blue Meany May 2016 #20
bullfuckingshit. cali May 2016 #4
It was quite similar Demsrule86 May 2016 #6
Not even close cali May 2016 #7
Kennedy did not ruin the general karynnj May 2016 #23
Bullshit. JackRiddler May 2016 #50
No sale. No more Clintons. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #10
This. bigwillq May 2016 #27
Thank you! farleftlib May 2016 #51
Kennedy supporters at the '80 convention were rude and condescending to Carter wyldwolf May 2016 #11
Kennedy delegates booed Carter when he touted restarting draft registration, John Poet May 2016 #56
You're kidding right? Lazy Daisy May 2016 #16
A very unfair comparison, I agree (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #33
Reagan defeated Carter due to the ERA/Schlafly mobiled a conservative block that lasted a decade! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #17
Oh baloney. Jimmy Carter was a sitting US president. MgtPA May 2016 #19
We have a winner! Bernie primarying Obama in 12 would be analogous bigbrother05 May 2016 #21
What? Demsrule86 May 2016 #47
She seems to have a pretty juicy gig as a public(ish) speaker. hellofromreddit May 2016 #28
Totally not. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #29
The world is different today lancer78 May 2016 #37
Bullshit. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #38
Let Zombie Reagan endorse Hillary Clinton for POTUS! CobaltBlue May 2016 #44
Bill Clinton furthered Reagan ' s damage ibegurpard May 2016 #42
Perform Miracles? JPnoodleman May 2016 #43
2016 is nothing like 1980. Not even close. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #48
This is not 1979. Sanders is not Kennedy. And Clinton is neither Carter nor Obama. Armstead May 2016 #52
Following your analogy, Trump wins in November against Hillary. Zen Democrat May 2016 #53
Ted Kennedy NEVER "insisted that there was no difference John Poet May 2016 #55
You seem to e leaving out an important part of the story Tiggeroshii May 2016 #57
I voted for Kennedy in 1979...I would do so again. I voted for Carter in the GE. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #58
Carter lost because of the hostage crisis jg10003 May 2016 #60
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