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karynnj

(59,503 posts)
23. Kennedy did not ruin the general
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:39 PM
May 2016

Part of the problem was that in 1979, Carter's popularity sank to the 30s as the gas lines grew. People blamed him after OPEC cut supplies. They also blamed him for inflation and extremely high interest rates. (For those too young to remember, home mortgage rates went up to the double digits -- ie as high as 16%! )

His favorability actually increased when the Iran hostages were taken - something I didn't remember, but which gallup shows in a peak that lasted about 4 months starting in November 1979. His favorability then returned to the 30s.

Kennedy considered jumping in over the summer in 1979, finally making it official at the beginning of November. He lost the early primaries in Jan- March as Carter's favorability rose and as he dealt with the crisis. The timing was awful.

Then the rescue mission failed, Carter had the nomination and his favorability sunk back into the 30s.

He was further harmed when a liberal Republican (they had them then) John Anderson ran as an independent. He likely cause Carter to lose many states - such as Massachusetts to Reagan.

This also ignores that this was a wave election and people wanted change. In addition to Carter, 10 liberal Senators seeking reelection lost - including many never thought at risk - like McGovern and Birch Bayh lost as well. Given that -- it is rather likely that without Kennedy and Anderson, Carter would still have lost.

Or the analogy is that Obama and Clinton Eric J in MN May 2016 #1
Nope Demsrule86 May 2016 #5
Carter november3rd May 2016 #12
Your posts are ridiculous. Hyperbole wrapped in hyperventilating. cali May 2016 #14
No it wasn't Demsrule86 May 2016 #39
Bernie with the protests? farleftlib May 2016 #49
Kennedy got in because Carter was seen as vulnerable in the general karynnj May 2016 #22
Kennedy lead to Reagan... Demsrule86 May 2016 #40
Did you look at the Gallup poll at all? karynnj May 2016 #41
Kennedy wrecked Carter's chances Demsrule86 May 2016 #45
Even Carter disagrees with you zipplewrath May 2016 #54
SCORES of Democratic congressman and senators, John Poet May 2016 #59
This is a much more accurate analogy mythology May 2016 #35
Obama was under 50% when he began to run in 12 Demsrule86 May 2016 #46
Already there. forjusticethunders May 2016 #2
The problems with revolutions is that they create chaos Fresh_Start May 2016 #3
Look up the revolution sanders brought to Burlington Armstead May 2016 #8
you can't seriously be comparing that with the US as a whole. Fresh_Start May 2016 #9
You said revolutions like Sanders only cause chaos Armstead May 2016 #24
I actually didn't say "like Sanders" Fresh_Start May 2016 #30
Did the trains run on time? november3rd May 2016 #13
And you'd prefer trains not run on time? Armstead May 2016 #25
What utter garbage. Do educate yourself. All revolutions are not the same. cali May 2016 #15
why don't you put together a list of non-chaotic revolutions Fresh_Start May 2016 #18
To reinforce what she said...revolutions are not all the same+ Armstead May 2016 #26
making a statement without supporting information Fresh_Start May 2016 #31
So why are you doing it? Armstead May 2016 #32
Just to begin with, the technology revolution cali May 2016 #34
The buggy makers and those whose jobs are being replaced with automation would disagree with you mythology May 2016 #36
Trump is essentially using the divide and conquer strategies Blue Meany May 2016 #20
bullfuckingshit. cali May 2016 #4
It was quite similar Demsrule86 May 2016 #6
Not even close cali May 2016 #7
Kennedy did not ruin the general karynnj May 2016 #23
Bullshit. JackRiddler May 2016 #50
No sale. No more Clintons. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #10
This. bigwillq May 2016 #27
Thank you! farleftlib May 2016 #51
Kennedy supporters at the '80 convention were rude and condescending to Carter wyldwolf May 2016 #11
Kennedy delegates booed Carter when he touted restarting draft registration, John Poet May 2016 #56
You're kidding right? Lazy Daisy May 2016 #16
A very unfair comparison, I agree (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #33
Reagan defeated Carter due to the ERA/Schlafly mobiled a conservative block that lasted a decade! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #17
Oh baloney. Jimmy Carter was a sitting US president. MgtPA May 2016 #19
We have a winner! Bernie primarying Obama in 12 would be analogous bigbrother05 May 2016 #21
What? Demsrule86 May 2016 #47
She seems to have a pretty juicy gig as a public(ish) speaker. hellofromreddit May 2016 #28
Totally not. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #29
The world is different today lancer78 May 2016 #37
Bullshit. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #38
Let Zombie Reagan endorse Hillary Clinton for POTUS! CobaltBlue May 2016 #44
Bill Clinton furthered Reagan ' s damage ibegurpard May 2016 #42
Perform Miracles? JPnoodleman May 2016 #43
2016 is nothing like 1980. Not even close. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #48
This is not 1979. Sanders is not Kennedy. And Clinton is neither Carter nor Obama. Armstead May 2016 #52
Following your analogy, Trump wins in November against Hillary. Zen Democrat May 2016 #53
Ted Kennedy NEVER "insisted that there was no difference John Poet May 2016 #55
You seem to e leaving out an important part of the story Tiggeroshii May 2016 #57
I voted for Kennedy in 1979...I would do so again. I voted for Carter in the GE. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #58
Carter lost because of the hostage crisis jg10003 May 2016 #60
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