2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Democracy [View all]H2O Man
(73,674 posts)simply ignore a response such as this. However, because you posted it, I've given it some thought .....and am hoping that it is not the mindless snark that others rely upon as a last resort .....attempted short-cuts to rational thinking being so unattractive. But as I both like and respect you, I am thinking it must have been a hurried response, that hints at other points.
Those times that I attempt house-improvement projects ("house," not "home" , I often seek the advice of an old carpenter. He used to note that a rich person would experience great difficulty in reaching true Consciousness ....that a camel could more easily pass through the eye of a needle. (This was before sewing machines and Camel cigarettes.)
Chief Waterman and I used to speak at colleges and universities, among other places. We were paid for this. However, neither Paul nor I kept a single penny -- not even for "travel expenses." Things like gas money and meals came out of our own pockets. The money we raised went to the Onondaga Nation, to pay for such things as fuel and grocery bills for the Elders and the poor.
Paul often joked that he resented that no one ever tried to "buy" us. Then one day, a business agent for a semi-large corporation asked to meet Paul alone, outside of Onondaga. We surprised him, by having several other Chiefs and the Tadodaho there, waiting for him. The agent was not happy when my cousin and I greeted him at the door, and escorted him into the meeting.
Long story medium short: he had a brief case filled with cash, that he had hoped to "hire" Paul with. That, of course, did not go over well. However, we were polite enough to insist that he pay for our lunches.
Now, people can interpret this true story in two different ways: maybe he was attempting to bribe Paul, or maybe he simply wanted to hire him. But, I suspect that all honest people would recognize that he was attempting to "influence" Paul's thinking and behavior.
It was good to see the coverage of Bernie Sanders at Onondaga, meeting with Paul's nephew, Oren. This means a lot to many of us. I realize that it doesn't mean much at all to some others. And, for some of those, that will not change. But for still others, it will. It will.