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2016 Postmortem

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H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:08 PM May 2016

Chains vs Change [View all]

Two months ago, on a political discussion internet forum where the Democratic primary was being debated, I posted a brief bit that included two simple questions: First, if the general election contest came down to Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump, who did people think the Bush family would support? And second, why?

It seemed to be valid questions to ask on my favorite internet discussion site, the Democratic Underground.

(See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511524583 )

The majority of those responding shared their thoughts, recognizing that there are no “right” or “wrong” answers to questions on personal opinions. I will speculate that most of those who said the Bush family would support Hillary were likely Bernie supporters. Likewise, I am confident that all of those who responded by attacking me for merely posing the question are Clinton supporters.

These included those who called my question “an artful smear,” and “an obvious attempt to tarnish Hillary.” Minister Malcolm X said that when something he said made his opposition squeal, he knew he had raised an important point. I’ve kept this in mind, when I have similar responses from that group of people, including when I post the essays from this blog on that site. It is not that I am foolish enough to think that I am always right, or that every issue involves “right versus wrong.” Rather, I’m just expressing my opinion.

In the context of a potential Clinton versus Trump general election, it is relevant -- indeed, important -- that one takes into account what the establishment values in a candidate. More, while discussing the 1% of the American people, the “economic elite,” one must recognize that they do not self-identify as belonging to either of the two major political parties. The only “team” they belong to is the one-percent economic elite. It is delusional for “average” citizens to believe that those in the establishment, from either party, identify with them more than the elites from the opposing party.

Even before this election season, the close relationship between the Bush and Clinton families was well known. The fact that Bill and Hillary frequently vacation with Henry Kissinger, one of the last century’s most evil war criminals, illustrates the cozy relationships among the elites of “opposing” political parties. More, in recent weeks, not only have Bush the Elder, Bush the Village Idiot, and Jeb gone on the record as saying they will not support Donald Trump in the general election, but Laura “Pickles” Bush has stated that she favors Hillary. Even one of the infamous Koch brothers has endorsed Clinton.

Why is this important? In part, because it shows something that many of us already understood: the Clinton campaign is writing off the progressive community, and instead is courting the support of the republican establishment. Now, I think it is important to note that the candidate herself would like to have the support of progressives ….including those who are registered in the Democratic Party, as well as the independents of the Democratic Left. Indeed, in some instances, Hillary has incorrectly identified herself as a “progressive.” This, of course, contrasts to her descriptions of herself in front of conservative audiences.

Current reports in the media show that the Clinton campaign is now trying to romance the “Bush donor list” for funding for the fall election. It is safe to say their appeals for more corporate millions is not based upon her “progressive” bona fides.

Wall Street is not an avenue for progressive change. Its residents do not share the same agenda as the 99%. Its inhabitants are not political party loyalists. Quite the opposite: they have been engaged in a class warfare that seeks to exploit the American public, just the same as other parasites -- such as tapeworms -- seek to exploit their hosts. And they count upon the politically blind, deaf, and dumb to resent it when someone points out the truth to them.

Luckily, the Sanders revolution continues to tell the truth. And because it isn’t “all about Bernie,” the movement continues, no matter what the outcome of the Democratic National Convention, or the November election.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Chains vs Change [View all] H2O Man May 2016 OP
A progressive tapeworm? panader0 May 2016 #1
It's interesting .... H2O Man May 2016 #4
This Democrat is not interested in Biden either. highprincipleswork May 2016 #52
Sanders went to the right-wing cauldron of conservativism, Liberty University bigtree May 2016 #2
There is a significant distinction between "wooing Republican voters" and... tk2kewl May 2016 #6
I'm sorry to say H2O Man May 2016 #13
I know, but it had to be said... tk2kewl May 2016 #19
Right! H2O Man May 2016 #20
I spend a lot of time replying to posts and never hearing back tk2kewl May 2016 #23
When I was young, H2O Man May 2016 #27
Could it be more evident? Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #15
No, it really couldn't H2O Man May 2016 #21
There seems to be a corollary in those that read OPs and those that haven't the patience Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #25
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #29
I continue to learn and be inspired from posters like yourself. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #32
Oh, thank you. H2O Man May 2016 #34
You're a bonafide mensch. I really dig your style man. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #36
I appreciate that! H2O Man May 2016 #75
He went to that right-wing cauldron and spoke left-wing truths. Jim Lane May 2016 #18
Well said, Jim Lane! H2O Man May 2016 #22
Hi there my heterosexual friend!!! Let's compare Hillary's opening words to Rick Warren's Church Bluenorthwest May 2016 #78
One party rule farleftlib May 2016 #3
I agree. H2O Man May 2016 #5
One turns into its opposite when there is no self evolution... kgnu_fan May 2016 #10
Basketball great Bill Russell H2O Man May 2016 #24
K&R jwirr May 2016 #8
Courting the Republican Establishment pmorlan1 May 2016 #7
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #11
This : Wall Street is not an avenue for progressive change. kgnu_fan May 2016 #9
Thanks. H2O Man May 2016 #12
Win or lose, I thank Bernie Sanders for restarting this progressive movement. democrank May 2016 #14
Exactly. H2O Man May 2016 #33
sometimes Sensitive soul May 2016 #55
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #59
Great OP! Very astute. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #16
Very good! H2O Man May 2016 #35
UBS Wealth Management Octafish May 2016 #17
Great post, Buddy! H2O Man May 2016 #37
I choose independence Mutant456 May 2016 #26
Yes! H2O Man May 2016 #39
You'll always have people fall for con men, wendylaroux May 2016 #28
Many fall for the Three Card Monte scam, not to dishearten you, but PT Barnum was correct Dragonfli May 2016 #31
Seriously. H2O Man May 2016 #40
Kicked and highly recommended, Dragonfli May 2016 #30
Thank you! H2O Man May 2016 #41
I think I will, but I expect it will be hidden, or worse, end with my expulsion from DU after 12 yrs Dragonfli May 2016 #64
My God! You are so articulate! FourScore May 2016 #38
Thank you, FourScore! H2O Man May 2016 #42
Thanks for commiserating! FourScore May 2016 #43
Sure thing! H2O Man May 2016 #58
K&R me b zola May 2016 #44
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #47
Your stuff is always worth my time, H2O Man. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #45
Thank you. H2O Man May 2016 #48
People here caught all manner of crap for specualting about Hillary's ties to "The Family" Warren DeMontague May 2016 #46
Yep. H2O Man May 2016 #50
Kick democrank May 2016 #49
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #51
Your last paragraph exemplifies the differences. mmonk May 2016 #53
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #56
Don't go chaining hootinholler May 2016 #54
Right! H2O Man May 2016 #57
knr, thank you! nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #60
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #62
I don't understand why anyone would insult you for asking this interesting question Samantha May 2016 #61
Thanks, Samantha! H2O Man May 2016 #63
H2O Man, between HRC and Trump, who would you support? Martin Eden May 2016 #65
Good question, H2O Man May 2016 #67
We're essentially in agreement Martin Eden May 2016 #69
I think that the H2O Man May 2016 #73
Oh, and one more thing: Martin Eden May 2016 #70
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #74
Truth! SalviaBlue May 2016 #66
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #68
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #71
Thanks, Uncle Joe! H2O Man May 2016 #72
Thank you, H20 Man democrank May 2016 #76
Thanks, democrank! H2O Man May 2016 #77
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