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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: Chains vs Change [View all]

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
57. Right!
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

I spent this evening with a close associate, at a local public meeting. Afterwards, we went to his house to discuss our plans for the Democratic National Convention. He is a veteran of Chicago in 1968.

Although he is a strong supporter of Bernie Sanders, he believes people will need to vote for Clinton in November, if she is our party's candidate. I have no problem with that. I'm sure that many of the Sanders revolution will eventually vote for the lesser of two extremely evils.

However, I fully understand those who will not vote for Clinton. I respect their right to vote their conscience. They have just as much right to decide who they vote for, as do he or I. As long as a person does not vote for Trump, I have no problem with them exercising their rights.

What stuck out for me this evening, as we listened to four candidates who are running for some elective offices, was the degree of corruption found at the local level. The Sanders revolution has to address this sad reality. The good thing is that we are in a better position to do so -- across the country -- than we have been in my lifetime.

The movement is growing. My friend noted that even those who despise me pretended that we were old chums. They are aware that the times are a'changing, too. Otherwise, they wouldn't have approached me tonight.

Chains vs Change [View all] H2O Man May 2016 OP
A progressive tapeworm? panader0 May 2016 #1
It's interesting .... H2O Man May 2016 #4
This Democrat is not interested in Biden either. highprincipleswork May 2016 #52
Sanders went to the right-wing cauldron of conservativism, Liberty University bigtree May 2016 #2
There is a significant distinction between "wooing Republican voters" and... tk2kewl May 2016 #6
I'm sorry to say H2O Man May 2016 #13
I know, but it had to be said... tk2kewl May 2016 #19
Right! H2O Man May 2016 #20
I spend a lot of time replying to posts and never hearing back tk2kewl May 2016 #23
When I was young, H2O Man May 2016 #27
Could it be more evident? Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #15
No, it really couldn't H2O Man May 2016 #21
There seems to be a corollary in those that read OPs and those that haven't the patience Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #25
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #29
I continue to learn and be inspired from posters like yourself. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #32
Oh, thank you. H2O Man May 2016 #34
You're a bonafide mensch. I really dig your style man. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #36
I appreciate that! H2O Man May 2016 #75
He went to that right-wing cauldron and spoke left-wing truths. Jim Lane May 2016 #18
Well said, Jim Lane! H2O Man May 2016 #22
Hi there my heterosexual friend!!! Let's compare Hillary's opening words to Rick Warren's Church Bluenorthwest May 2016 #78
One party rule farleftlib May 2016 #3
I agree. H2O Man May 2016 #5
One turns into its opposite when there is no self evolution... kgnu_fan May 2016 #10
Basketball great Bill Russell H2O Man May 2016 #24
K&R jwirr May 2016 #8
Courting the Republican Establishment pmorlan1 May 2016 #7
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #11
This : Wall Street is not an avenue for progressive change. kgnu_fan May 2016 #9
Thanks. H2O Man May 2016 #12
Win or lose, I thank Bernie Sanders for restarting this progressive movement. democrank May 2016 #14
Exactly. H2O Man May 2016 #33
sometimes Sensitive soul May 2016 #55
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #59
Great OP! Very astute. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #16
Very good! H2O Man May 2016 #35
UBS Wealth Management Octafish May 2016 #17
Great post, Buddy! H2O Man May 2016 #37
I choose independence Mutant456 May 2016 #26
Yes! H2O Man May 2016 #39
You'll always have people fall for con men, wendylaroux May 2016 #28
Many fall for the Three Card Monte scam, not to dishearten you, but PT Barnum was correct Dragonfli May 2016 #31
Seriously. H2O Man May 2016 #40
Kicked and highly recommended, Dragonfli May 2016 #30
Thank you! H2O Man May 2016 #41
I think I will, but I expect it will be hidden, or worse, end with my expulsion from DU after 12 yrs Dragonfli May 2016 #64
My God! You are so articulate! FourScore May 2016 #38
Thank you, FourScore! H2O Man May 2016 #42
Thanks for commiserating! FourScore May 2016 #43
Sure thing! H2O Man May 2016 #58
K&R me b zola May 2016 #44
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #47
Your stuff is always worth my time, H2O Man. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #45
Thank you. H2O Man May 2016 #48
People here caught all manner of crap for specualting about Hillary's ties to "The Family" Warren DeMontague May 2016 #46
Yep. H2O Man May 2016 #50
Kick democrank May 2016 #49
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #51
Your last paragraph exemplifies the differences. mmonk May 2016 #53
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #56
Don't go chaining hootinholler May 2016 #54
Right! H2O Man May 2016 #57
knr, thank you! nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #60
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #62
I don't understand why anyone would insult you for asking this interesting question Samantha May 2016 #61
Thanks, Samantha! H2O Man May 2016 #63
H2O Man, between HRC and Trump, who would you support? Martin Eden May 2016 #65
Good question, H2O Man May 2016 #67
We're essentially in agreement Martin Eden May 2016 #69
I think that the H2O Man May 2016 #73
Oh, and one more thing: Martin Eden May 2016 #70
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #74
Truth! SalviaBlue May 2016 #66
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #68
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #71
Thanks, Uncle Joe! H2O Man May 2016 #72
Thank you, H20 Man democrank May 2016 #76
Thanks, democrank! H2O Man May 2016 #77
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