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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: Chains vs Change [View all]

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
67. Good question,
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

I appreciate it when someone who thinks differently than me strikes up a good-natured, yet serious discussion. So thank you for that.

My response may not be in the order that you raised rational points in your posts. At my advanced age, I need to flip back and forth, from reading to typing, for an adequate answer. So here goes …..

First, I would disagree -- strongly -- that the Bush family’s position isn’t important. They are, I think we could agree, not your average republican family. Two have served as president; one recently ran for president; and one was the nation’s First Lady. More, it is wrong to assume the Bush family is opposed to Trump because he is totally unqualified to serve as president, and would cause domestic and international problems. After all, George W. Bush served two terms.

Since I am a Bernie Sanders supporter, I really haven’t given any thought to who I might or might not vote for, if it comes down to Clinton vs. Trump. However, as I have noted numerous times on DU, I have been a registered Democrat my entire adult life; I have always voted for our party’s candidate in presidential elections; and I vote in every election.

There is zero chance that I will ever vote for Donald Trump. However, I would find it extremely difficult to vote for a person who (a) has a neoconservative foreign policy; and (b) favors and advocates for fracking.

What is far more important than my individual vote is my ability to “get out the vote.” And it is very, very unlikely that if I did attempt to campaign for Hillary, there is little to no chance that I could influence other progressives to vote for her. And that is not because I lack basic skills in community organizing. There hasn’t been a situation that compares to this in my experience. There are a variety of reasons for this -- and almost all belong to the Clinton campaign, including the candidate.

Again, thank you!

Chains vs Change [View all] H2O Man May 2016 OP
A progressive tapeworm? panader0 May 2016 #1
It's interesting .... H2O Man May 2016 #4
This Democrat is not interested in Biden either. highprincipleswork May 2016 #52
Sanders went to the right-wing cauldron of conservativism, Liberty University bigtree May 2016 #2
There is a significant distinction between "wooing Republican voters" and... tk2kewl May 2016 #6
I'm sorry to say H2O Man May 2016 #13
I know, but it had to be said... tk2kewl May 2016 #19
Right! H2O Man May 2016 #20
I spend a lot of time replying to posts and never hearing back tk2kewl May 2016 #23
When I was young, H2O Man May 2016 #27
Could it be more evident? Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #15
No, it really couldn't H2O Man May 2016 #21
There seems to be a corollary in those that read OPs and those that haven't the patience Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #25
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #29
I continue to learn and be inspired from posters like yourself. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #32
Oh, thank you. H2O Man May 2016 #34
You're a bonafide mensch. I really dig your style man. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #36
I appreciate that! H2O Man May 2016 #75
He went to that right-wing cauldron and spoke left-wing truths. Jim Lane May 2016 #18
Well said, Jim Lane! H2O Man May 2016 #22
Hi there my heterosexual friend!!! Let's compare Hillary's opening words to Rick Warren's Church Bluenorthwest May 2016 #78
One party rule farleftlib May 2016 #3
I agree. H2O Man May 2016 #5
One turns into its opposite when there is no self evolution... kgnu_fan May 2016 #10
Basketball great Bill Russell H2O Man May 2016 #24
K&R jwirr May 2016 #8
Courting the Republican Establishment pmorlan1 May 2016 #7
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #11
This : Wall Street is not an avenue for progressive change. kgnu_fan May 2016 #9
Thanks. H2O Man May 2016 #12
Win or lose, I thank Bernie Sanders for restarting this progressive movement. democrank May 2016 #14
Exactly. H2O Man May 2016 #33
sometimes Sensitive soul May 2016 #55
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #59
Great OP! Very astute. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #16
Very good! H2O Man May 2016 #35
UBS Wealth Management Octafish May 2016 #17
Great post, Buddy! H2O Man May 2016 #37
I choose independence Mutant456 May 2016 #26
Yes! H2O Man May 2016 #39
You'll always have people fall for con men, wendylaroux May 2016 #28
Many fall for the Three Card Monte scam, not to dishearten you, but PT Barnum was correct Dragonfli May 2016 #31
Seriously. H2O Man May 2016 #40
Kicked and highly recommended, Dragonfli May 2016 #30
Thank you! H2O Man May 2016 #41
I think I will, but I expect it will be hidden, or worse, end with my expulsion from DU after 12 yrs Dragonfli May 2016 #64
My God! You are so articulate! FourScore May 2016 #38
Thank you, FourScore! H2O Man May 2016 #42
Thanks for commiserating! FourScore May 2016 #43
Sure thing! H2O Man May 2016 #58
K&R me b zola May 2016 #44
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #47
Your stuff is always worth my time, H2O Man. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #45
Thank you. H2O Man May 2016 #48
People here caught all manner of crap for specualting about Hillary's ties to "The Family" Warren DeMontague May 2016 #46
Yep. H2O Man May 2016 #50
Kick democrank May 2016 #49
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #51
Your last paragraph exemplifies the differences. mmonk May 2016 #53
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #56
Don't go chaining hootinholler May 2016 #54
Right! H2O Man May 2016 #57
knr, thank you! nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #60
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #62
I don't understand why anyone would insult you for asking this interesting question Samantha May 2016 #61
Thanks, Samantha! H2O Man May 2016 #63
H2O Man, between HRC and Trump, who would you support? Martin Eden May 2016 #65
Good question, H2O Man May 2016 #67
We're essentially in agreement Martin Eden May 2016 #69
I think that the H2O Man May 2016 #73
Oh, and one more thing: Martin Eden May 2016 #70
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #74
Truth! SalviaBlue May 2016 #66
Thanks! H2O Man May 2016 #68
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #71
Thanks, Uncle Joe! H2O Man May 2016 #72
Thank you, H20 Man democrank May 2016 #76
Thanks, democrank! H2O Man May 2016 #77
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