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2016 Postmortem

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H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:52 PM May 2016

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It is said that when the ancient philosopher Confucius was asked what he would do, if he was granted political authority, he responded, “Insist that people use words correctly.” While he may not have been speaking of the 2016 Democratic primary specifically, I am convinced he would have included the word “progressive” as one with a real meaning. That word continues to be misused today, when applied to the two Democratic candidates.

My father was a first-generation product of an Irish immigrant family. Most of the extended family worked on the railroads in the northeast. They were all union activists. Dad’s favorite aunt, Mary, was a charter member of the national Order of Telegraphers Union. Hence, my father passed down her definitions to me, as a family heirloom. These definitions apply accurately to the membership of the Democratic Party.

There are four basic sub-groups of Democrats. While the party has definitely shifted to the right since 1980, those definitions still hold. Going from right to left, there are: conservatives, moderates, liberals, and progressives. Obviously, not everyone fits neatly into the various groups. There can be differences, for example, in an individual’s beliefs on domestic and international affairs. Yet, the sum total of their beliefs tend to fit into one of the four groups.

The growth in the numbers of conservative Democrats accounts for the party’s shift to the right. The most obvious example of this was President Bill Clinton. His political beliefs were known as “Third Way,” as they combined both republican and Democratic values. Thus, the correct identification for this type of Democrat is “conservative,” or centrist. Still, some people misidentify President Clinton as a “liberal,” despite his record on important issues ranging from international trade deals to public assistance.

Perhaps the two most important groups in the context of the current primary are “liberal” and “progressive.” By definition, liberals seek to fine-tune the system by way of gradual change. Progressives, on the other hand, seek fundamental changes to the system. Senator Bernie Sanders is a perfect example of a progressive. We see this in his approach to the international trade deals, and in his health care proposals.

Hillary Clinton has stated during the campaign that she is a progressive. She was challenged on this during one of the debates, when a moderator played a recent film clip of her speaking to a conservative audience, where she took pride in identifying herself as a moderate. This attempt to be all things to all people is not something Clinton invented -- it is not a new political tactic. But it is much harder to pull off these days, with the internet.

The Clinton campaign likes to portray Sanders as a radical. Perhaps the concept of social justice is radical today. They like to call his supporters dangerous extremists. Certainly, the environmental crisis we face presents very real dangers, and it will require extreme dedication in order to deal successfully with it.

We live in an “extreme” period of time. It is not possible to confront and resolve the extreme problems we face with a moderate approach. There may have been many times when a moderate politician, or a conservative Democrat, would be the best choice for president. Or, at least the safest choice. But that is not true today. We need a true progressive in the White House, who has the moral authority to call forth progressives at the grass roots, in order to deal with the extreme damage that has been done to our country by the 1% since 1980.

Add to this that as we approach the Democratic National Convention, neither Hillary or Bernie has the number of delegates required to put them over the top. Thus, the “super delegates” will be selecting the candidate that gets the nomination. It is safe to say that 100% of these “super delegates” are establishmentarians. A few might be liberal, but the vast majority are moderate and conservative Democrats. None are progressives.

It is anticipated that, barring unforeseen circumstances, they will be loyal to the Clinton dynasty. This will not transform Hillary into a more attractive candidate with the progressive community; rather, it will serve to confirm the negative impression they have of her. And despite her campaign’s attempts to portray her as so gosh darned popular that her presidency is inevitable, a growing awareness among her top advisers points to the great difficulty she would encounter in the general election. “There’s no where else for them to go” isn’t a strategy -- it is an attempt to justify the vicious attacks that her people have unleashed at the Sanders revolution.

Some progressive Democrats would definitely vote for Hillary if she is given the nomination by the “super delegates.” And Clinton has the ability to convince others, between the convention and November, that she represents the lesser of two evils. It is certainly possible that she could win the general election. However, it is a shame that the Clinton campaign has no chance, at this time, of gaining enthusiastic progressive support, and has totally alienated the Democratic Left.

If Bernie gets the nomination, it is unlikely that the moderate and conservative Democrats would support Trump. Of course, they won’t be invested in campaigning for Sanders. But as long as they vote for him, Bernie will crush Donald Trump like a grape.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Grapes [View all] H2O Man May 2016 OP
Fantastic essay. I agree with every word. K&R myrna minx May 2016 #1
Thank you! H2O Man May 2016 #2
Giving your flamebait a wide pass. procon May 2016 #3
Or, then again, H2O Man May 2016 #5
Hard to tell when you use a clickbait title like "Grapes", yeah? procon May 2016 #11
Silly you. H2O Man May 2016 #18
Yes, because that would be the expectation in GD: P. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #31
I guess I H2O Man May 2016 #33
Concord. Without a doubt. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #36
! H2O Man May 2016 #38
Read your OP twice, failed to find the derogatory phrases. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #44
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #47
When Sensitive soul May 2016 #48
good one JumpinJehosaphat May 2016 #49
funny... i saw nothing derogatory tk2kewl May 2016 #10
It's a two way street, yeah? procon May 2016 #13
again, what is derogatory about the OP? tk2kewl May 2016 #15
Call it speculation H2O Man May 2016 #19
maybe they just don't like grapes tk2kewl May 2016 #20
A case of H2O Man May 2016 #22
Of course you don't, and that's symptomatic of a larger problem. procon May 2016 #23
so what am i missing? tk2kewl May 2016 #24
A pattern emerges: H2O Man May 2016 #27
I'm with you tk2kewl May 2016 #35
It is curious H2O Man May 2016 #39
Precision of Language, please. Thanks for the OP. I think you could be right! Hiraeth May 2016 #4
Thank you! H2O Man May 2016 #7
Agreed. mmonk May 2016 #6
Right. H2O Man May 2016 #8
Most excellent post! mindwalker_i May 2016 #9
Exactly. H2O Man May 2016 #21
See is also too much a part of the system mindwalker_i May 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #53
What it comes down to is the radical solutions are the only ones that offer even a modicum of hope Vincardog May 2016 #12
what it has come down to... tk2kewl May 2016 #14
Our politicians are not scientists but their donnors hate scientists. Vincardog May 2016 #16
sometimes they like to play doctor though tk2kewl May 2016 #17
If they hate them so much hootinholler May 2016 #37
They want them to lie for them why else? Vincardog May 2016 #54
Well said. H2O Man May 2016 #34
Thank you for the excellent OP. Vincardog May 2016 #55
Excellent Post! jpmonk91 May 2016 #26
Beautiful! H2O Man May 2016 #28
Thank You! jpmonk91 May 2016 #29
I've got another H2O Man May 2016 #30
Exactly jpmonk91 May 2016 #32
Even evolution works in quantum jumps. Gregorian May 2016 #40
Thanks, Gregorian! H2O Man May 2016 #42
Grapes of Wrath countryjake May 2016 #41
Thanks, countryjake H2O Man May 2016 #43
As always... Liberal Jesus Freak May 2016 #45
Thank you. H2O Man May 2016 #46
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #50
Thanks, Uncle Joe H2O Man May 2016 #61
hope springs eternal MFM008 May 2016 #51
Incisive commentary, to be sure. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #52
Thank you H2O Man May 2016 #62
OK, I'll ask again PATRICK May 2016 #56
Interesting. H2O Man May 2016 #63
The Party establishment has stepped too far right JEB May 2016 #68
You forgot the other group of alleged democrats.. fun n serious May 2016 #57
That is two groups. H2O Man May 2016 #64
The group I am talking about is a unique fun n serious May 2016 #69
Where would you put President Obama in your "conservative", "moderate", "liberal", "progressive" Nye Bevan May 2016 #58
Right leaning moderate. It's Bernie's Bizarro World. nt LexVegas May 2016 #60
Fair question. H2O Man May 2016 #65
I have news for you Demsrule86 May 2016 #59
gosh H2O Man May 2016 #66
I always appreciate your respect for clarity G_j May 2016 #67
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