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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Fear [View all]
2banon
39. We've had about 25 years now to get to know her..
She revealed to the world in one of the earlier debates that she sold her vote to give authorization as a trade she made with Bush, for more $ to New York.
There was a moment in time, when I had hoped she would run for POTUS, was glad she was running for Senate. That moment in time, was based on a shared feeling of betrayal by her husband, an empathetic desire for her to break from him and move on with her life independent from him. I was mistakenly presuming she would divorce him the moment they left office.
Observing her run for Senate, and realizing she didn't intend to divorce Bill, it appeared she made a sort of "business" arrangement with him, capitalizing on his campaigning skills to aid her in the Senate race. I thought ok, if it works I suppose that made sense. And so, why not?
Then she got elected. Well, I'm not going to waste time listing all of the egregious bills she voted for, she sponsored and so on.
It's all on the record and everything Wall Street friendly thing she's ever said and done in the following years is on the record, except for her speeches to Wall Street and I don't need the transcripts to intuit the nature of those speeches is everything we progressives would vehemently disdain, oppose and protest against.
I would have huge respect for her if she had made other choices in her life. To continue her relationship with Bill Clinton, undermines any credibility of the idea that she would be her own person in the White House.
It's just laughable on it's face, given they're so obviously joined at the hip and up to their neck in very serious legal problems once again.
The spectre of the predictable scandals should be enough to give serious pause.
We do have an opportunity to make a big difference in the outcome, we just have to seize the moment, no matter how much the party establishment is in it for her.
Going from top to bottom:
Yes we have had a long time seeing her in public life.
Not sure what vote you refer to. I can guess that if I saw the video or read the transcript there would be a reasonable explanation for it, but since I don't have either I can't say for sure.
I don't have a problem with her marriage to Bill. That is her personal life. There are various theories about her marriage that could be gossiped about but I don't get into that.
I am sure you know that she has a strong liberal rating on her voting record. If not it is easy to find. I note that Bernie didn't have too many issues with her voting record as well.
Yes, its all on the record (her votes and positions).
I think most people believe those transcripts contain no shocking or concerning content, rather that is is a phony trumped up concern. Hillary is holding the line on intrusions into her personal transcripts. I have no problem with that.
Serious legal problems? Do tell.
Seems the Democratic party rank and file is in it for her too.
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The news media has built their business around stoking those fears, and other fears as well.
surrealAmerican
May 2016
#1
You have a sound mind, capable of self observation. Most Americans had lost such capacity due to
kgnu_fan
May 2016
#16
There's little in the real world that I fear. There are some things I have a healthy respect for.
hobbit709
May 2016
#10
Plenty of fear, anger and worse in the Bern Squad. Its time to cool it not stoke it. nt
BootinUp
May 2016
#15
No fear here… just a deep burning anger and rage that truth, empathy and decency are at risk.
Agony
May 2016
#60
"we are simply claiming what is rightfully our property -- our conscience, our beliefs, our future."
Zorra
May 2016
#53