2016 Postmortem

phleshdef

(11,936 posts) Mon May 16, 2016, 10:02 AM May 2016

Am I the only one who likes Barbara Boxer AND believes she was in the wrong with the way she acted? [View all]

No one is perfect. People make asses of themselves. I'm known to do it quite often myself.

She really misread the situation. She was condescending. She was, frankly, talking to people like they were total shit.

That does not undo her record. That does not take away from a lot of good work she has done. It just means she fucked up and turned a tense situation even worse.

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Am I the only one who likes Barbara Boxer AND believes she was in the wrong with the way she acted? [View all] phleshdef May 2016 OP

agree with you oldandhappy May 2016 #1

I'm with you NV Whino May 2016 #2

She has been on the corporate side of many important issues. This was the clearest example pdsimdars May 2016 #54

also agree Fresh_Start May 2016 #3

She was right to stand up the the bullies who were trying to shout her down as she riversedge May 2016 #4

If you'd get your head out of the sand and watch some of the videos, you'd know they were booing Fawke Em May 2016 #27

Head in the sand? A Bob did NOT say that, PLEASE tell me NO Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #76

LOL. So the 'process' is a 'B**ch??? riversedge May 2016 #78

Why are you still peddling the lie about Nina Turner? nt vintx May 2016 #77

Yes you are. Bernie's bullies didn't deserve to be treated with any respect, if they act like that. CrowCityDem May 2016 #5

Based on other responses in this thread, no I'm not the only one. phleshdef May 2016 #8

That is my take, as well. n/t demmiblue May 2016 #6

She is a good, liberal Dem but she screwed up. LonePirate May 2016 #7

Agree, but if she let's it go, it will taint her legacy, as this was her last YUGE act! ViseGrip May 2016 #9

Yes, they knew what they had to do and they called in the jack boots. pdsimdars May 2016 #55

I liked her until this horrendous "mistake" she made. She lost me. kgnu_fan May 2016 #10

How many more will fall on their sword for Hillary? FlatBaroque May 2016 #19

This is what I have been thinking all along. pdsimdars May 2016 #56

Agree SwampG8r May 2016 #11

I don't see that she did anything wrong. YouDig May 2016 #12

women are never permitted to speak to men like that dsc May 2016 #26

Agree. I HATE that this could be what she's remembered for since she's retiring yeoman6987 May 2016 #13

This was more than a mistake. pdsimdars May 2016 #59

Fair enough yeoman6987 May 2016 #66

iows - Women are just supposed to take abuse from bullies DURHAM D May 2016 #14

No one said anything remotely close to that. Lying doesn't help this situation. phleshdef May 2016 #16

You are lying to yourself. nt DURHAM D May 2016 #20

Nope. phleshdef May 2016 #21

They were total shit. They deserved it. Starry Messenger May 2016 #15

She is too establishment to my taste, but there are things one can like about her. Betty Karlson May 2016 #17

Yeah, some people booed her and she flipped out in anger. aikoaiko May 2016 #18

Booing became bullying when it was decided to be made a specific strategy FlatBaroque May 2016 #22

wow, all that from booing. Sorry, but if one can cheer, one can boo. That's how it works. aikoaiko May 2016 #30

You might have misconstrued my meaning FlatBaroque May 2016 #36

I did misconstrue. Thank you for clarifying. aikoaiko May 2016 #43

Good tag line pdsimdars May 2016 #61

she was called a bitch dsc May 2016 #28

Yes, one person called her a bitch. There are better words to describe her behavior/rhetoric at NV aikoaiko May 2016 #32

I fully agree and I've campaigned for Boxer and voted for her many times. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #23

Really though... shanti May 2016 #69

I feel the same way. Fawke Em May 2016 #24

She's dead to me. She'll have to earn her way back into my trust. And she won't be able to pdsimdars May 2016 #52

When being called a b* and being shouted down in a party of civility, ya... No, Boxer was not wrong. seabeyond May 2016 #25

One person said the word "bitch". It was unacceptable. It also was provoked. phleshdef May 2016 #29

I was going to say, thank you for actually saying unacceptable, as I read you excuse. wow. seabeyond May 2016 #31

Its not an excuse. Its just a description of what happened. phleshdef May 2016 #33

I get how easily it is to grab the easy sexist slur to throw at a woman. I dunno.... have seen it seabeyond May 2016 #40

Provoked is no excuse at all. Where the hell do people get off with that bullshit? Sexist shit bettyellen May 2016 #72

I never said it was an excuse. phleshdef May 2016 #73

"Provoked" absolutely implies that on some level, those words were well deserved. Whether it is bettyellen May 2016 #74

They could have called her an "asshole" and I would be saying the same exact thing. phleshdef May 2016 #75

They did not. You're reacting the same to sexist shit as you are non-sexist shit. That is the point. bettyellen May 2016 #79

I'm reacting to name calling. phleshdef May 2016 #80

Nope, sexist shit like calling women "bitches" is not okay- especially in progressive spaces. bettyellen May 2016 #82

Our outrage at bullying behavior is often selective... TwilightZone May 2016 #34

Yep, I agree. n/t TDale313 May 2016 #35

Sorry, we don't do nuance around here. QC May 2016 #37

^^^ This. phleshdef May 2016 #41

Liked her a lot. The combo of what she said and what *she failed to do* have destroyed JudyM May 2016 #38

^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^ and YES, YES, YES!!! pdsimdars May 2016 #50

Our principles matter. Character matters. When these are no longer a politician's compass they JudyM May 2016 #53

Yes, similar circumstance of showing what they really pledge allegiance to. JudyM May 2016 #86

Exactly, JudyM. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #60

I agree with you - I am also a Sanders voter who believes that many there were acting badly, and blm May 2016 #39

What. I just read that DWS went up to Alaska and tried to mess things up. pdsimdars May 2016 #62

Then you must only read what propagandists want you to read and missed the REAL story: blm May 2016 #83

Nah, she defended the indefensible, got called out for it tularetom May 2016 #42

She was out of her element and did not handle the situation like I'd expect someone with her... phleshdef May 2016 #47

Sure you can say that. She has been on the corporate side of many important issues. pdsimdars May 2016 #63

Accusations of corporatism are starting to lose meaning because such accusations are being abused. phleshdef May 2016 #65

I just remember over the years, there would be some important issue the Dems needed to push pdsimdars May 2016 #68

She was repeating Sanders own letter about civility! joshcryer May 2016 #44

so name-calling is now being used as an excuse for voter fraud and corruption TheSarcastinator May 2016 #45

Not sure what you are getting at, I'm a Sanders supporter. phleshdef May 2016 #46

K&R vintx May 2016 #48

But she has been on the corporate side of many, many issues. pdsimdars May 2016 #49

This isn't the only time she fell on the side of corporate america. Good thing she's retiring. onecaliberal May 2016 #51

I'm sure you will get someone who passes the Purity Party test redstateblues May 2016 #57

I don't fully agree with you. NCTraveler May 2016 #58

My thoughts pmorlan1 May 2016 #64

She was booed by assholes Demsrule86 May 2016 #67

I think her goal of getting the first woman president elected clouded her train of thought. B Calm May 2016 #70

Boxer got started in political activism opposing the Vietnam War Dems to Win May 2016 #71

Barbara was my Senator for years. I am disgusted that she will go along with winning bkkyosemite May 2016 #81

Has she apologized? TSIAS May 2016 #84

I have liked Boxer and voted for her many times in the past. PufPuf23 May 2016 #85