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basselope

(2,565 posts)
33. It's a nonsense statement.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

The concept of her being the 11th most liberal (which ONLY applies to the Senate) is mythological talking point because it assigns meanings to the few votes that actually come up and weighs them all equally. Her voting against the GOP on some nonsense issue is given equal weight to her vote for the Iraq War and the Patriot Act.

NONE of this addresses the deep systemic problem that legislation that MATTERS rarely makes it to the floor b/c of the money influences in politics and how it controls what legislation gets attention and what legislation doesn't.

Again, I AM NOT VOTING FOR DONALD TRUMP. However, I know many Bernie supporters, STRONG BERNIE supporters who are volunteering for his campaign who are planning to do so.

First, you have to start with the understanding that Hillary will do absolutely NOTHING to address the systemic problems facing this country. Nothing in her platform or her record shows she has any real interest in changing the way things are done or even moving in that direction. She barely even pays lip service to the real problems and it goes way beyond Citizens United.

Second, you have to understand that the next president will likely face a recession to some degree. The situation we are in right now is very similar to what bush inherited in 1988 and by the early 90's we were in a recession. The economy is teetering and there isn't enough room for the fed to keep it afloat. We have a significant revenue problem. Clinton's tax plan doesn't even scratch the surface of what needs to happen and that is assuming she gets ALL OF IT. So, even if Clinton wins in November, which is highly doubtful since she has no viable path, she will be gone in 4 years b/c she will be blamed for the recession.

Put 1 and 2 together and you can figure out why some people would vote for Trump over Clinton if only to keep Clinton out.




If you gave them a better alternative than Clinton, you wouldn't have to worry about it. Fuddnik May 2016 #1
"Antiesteblishment" candidates are almost destined ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #4
Seventeen percent of Clinton supporters voted for McCain in 08. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #5
If I recall correctly, there was a racial component with some of those defectors. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #7
The bottom line is Obama won despite those traitors. Their race is of no moment to me. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #12
"17%, 20% are manageable numbers" ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #15
20% of 40% = 8% DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #16
Something that doesn't exist is gonna go for Trump? AgingAmerican May 2016 #2
What "doesn't exist"? ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #3
Exactly what I was going to say. JackRiddler May 2016 #26
is a Berniebro a male supporter? If so,what would a female supporter be? wendylaroux May 2016 #54
Bernie Bras, obviously! Jester Messiah May 2016 #58
oh good,Bernie bras,I was afraid I was a Bernieho wendylaroux May 2016 #66
Who came up with the bro part? JackRiddler May 2016 #61
Havent you heard? bunnies May 2016 #63
Most are not going for Trump. HRC said 40% of her supporters would not vote for Obama and most did. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #6
Some will, no doubt, but most of those will be MineralMan May 2016 #8
They don't believe Hillary can "save it". basselope May 2016 #11
OK. That's one vote. MineralMan May 2016 #13
It's MANY MANY more than one. basselope May 2016 #19
When Trump stacks the supreme court with conservatives for 30 years and tuition help goes bye bye realmirage May 2016 #17
None of which is likely happen. basselope May 2016 #20
There is one opening currently and several others are very old. realmirage May 2016 #23
Now.. follow the logic. basselope May 2016 #36
Ginsberg, age 83 realmirage May 2016 #44
Averages are very different for those in their positions. basselope May 2016 #49
You are assuming Trump will only last 4 years realmirage May 2016 #51
Scalia had huge risk factors. basselope May 2016 #72
More crystal ball predictions realmirage May 2016 #81
If Hillary supporters keep on calling Bernie Supporters "Bernie Bros"... AZ Progressive May 2016 #9
Useful idiots is the term. hobbit709 May 2016 #10
What progressive would vote Trump? jzodda May 2016 #14
Turning the country over to a racist republican who will turn back the clock on all the progress realmirage May 2016 #18
You fail to understand the reasoning. basselope May 2016 #21
HRC had the 11th-most-liberal voting record ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #22
Hard to understand the minds that are so easily persuaded to switch parties. realmirage May 2016 #25
but that record is a joke because dems have been supporting shit like iraq pengu May 2016 #31
The way of economists is to let some lame ratings system do the thinking. JackRiddler May 2016 #32
You prefer emotional propaganda ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #46
You prefer absurd straw-man responses JackRiddler May 2016 #60
Your answer is, "Yes"? ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #65
Yes, your approach is without value or sense. JackRiddler May 2016 #71
It's a nonsense statement. basselope May 2016 #33
More "Hillary hatred derangement disorder"? ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #38
No, just facts. basselope May 2016 #42
Do you believe for a minute this guy is an academic? JackRiddler May 2016 #74
Sadly.. I do. basselope May 2016 #77
Yeah, I know. JackRiddler May 2016 #78
Exactly right on the ludicrous ratings systems. JackRiddler May 2016 #41
True progressive who would vote Trump realmirage May 2016 #24
True progressive who would vote for Hillary basselope May 2016 #45
Think about it, you are advocating for a Republican realmirage May 2016 #47
No, I am not voting for Trump. basselope May 2016 #50
Anyone who does not vote Democrat is helping Trump. That is reality. realmirage May 2016 #53
No, it's not. basselope May 2016 #75
Unfortunately it is realmirage May 2016 #80
There isn't any reasoning anigbrowl May 2016 #37
I'm not voting for Trump. basselope May 2016 #40
Only because someone isn't holding a gun to your head: anigbrowl May 2016 #52
Oh please.... basselope May 2016 #73
Well you said it, not me. nt anigbrowl May 2016 #84
Thanks jzodda May 2016 #43
People who vote for Trump are assholes. Starry Messenger May 2016 #70
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #76
Then you're on the side of the right and won't be here much longer. Starry Messenger May 2016 #83
Well if some voted for George Wallace over Hubert Humphrey, I guess anything is possible. pampango May 2016 #34
We live in some strange times jzodda May 2016 #48
This is foolishness. eom VulgarPoet May 2016 #27
"Those who don't remember history ...." ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #30
Must balance this with all the GOP Women who will cross over for Clinton. McCamy Taylor May 2016 #28
I really hope you're right ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #57
While there were "Reagan Democrats" in 1980 I think John Anderson hurt Carter more book_worm May 2016 #29
Read the link in the OP ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #35
Translation: When Hillary loses, blame Bernie supporters WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #39
Exit polling in November will ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #55
The establishment gave you Nixon and Reagan. Pathetic. JackRiddler May 2016 #79
Operative word being "will." WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #85
They were gonna do that anyway. Jester Messiah May 2016 #59
After a primary election, ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #62
That's a very interesting opinion, thanks for sharing it. n/t Jester Messiah May 2016 #64
I think this could easily happen in this election... tom-servo May 2016 #56
Just remember, BernieBros created by libertarian Atlantic, not the Sanders Campaign. Todays_Illusion May 2016 #67
It's up to Hillary Clinton. Eric J in MN May 2016 #68
Our corporate conservative candidate Clinton receives support form fear mongering conservatives. Todays_Illusion May 2016 #69
Damn... thank god I wasn't alive in '68... Blue_Tires May 2016 #82
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