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In reply to the discussion: Fifties were a better time. We need to return to a better Democratic Party. [View all]Hoyt
(54,770 posts)78. If you took every penny from the upper 10% -- which would include many of your doctors, lawyers,
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etc. -- it wouldn't be enough to make 50% of the people happy for a year or two. And that is assuming all the "wealth" they supposedly have doesn't evaporate the moment we take it since most of it is on paper, not real.
We would perish trading primarily among ourselves, not to mention the fights we'd have internally and externally. Second, it's damn greedy and selfish since we have taken more of our share or the world's potential wealth and resources for decades. Foreigners are right when they refer to us as "greedy Americans," and posts such as yours shows it not just the upper income people who are greedy.
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snowy owl
May 2016
OP
And conservatives don't learn from the past so repeat mistakes over and over and over
snowy owl
May 2016
#2
The good old days of the fifties or earlier were only for the dominant race, culture and sex.
workinclasszero
May 2016
#12
You do realize we can go back to the economic justice of the 50's (equalized for all)
RichVRichV
May 2016
#212
If you equalize the economic justice while still maintaining the social justice gains of today ...
1StrongBlackMan
May 2016
#285
The 50s were better -- excepting minorities -- because America was building houses, corporations
Hoyt
May 2016
#4
If you took every penny from the upper 10% -- which would include many of your doctors, lawyers,
Hoyt
May 2016
#78
Excepting minorities....and women. So basically, over half the population. nt
msanthrope
May 2016
#292
That's what the Trump and to a much lesser extent yet he Sanders campaign all about
Txbluedog
May 2016
#14
Our neighbors across the street were both in the LAPD. She stuck it out till her 7th month...
Hekate
May 2016
#221
No, you didn't mention that women were expected to stay home barefoot and pregnant.
greatauntoftriplets
May 2016
#44
So if you believe that, why did civil rights laws, Medicare, Medicaid, and other things get passed?
denverbill
May 2016
#144
Are you suggesting the turn of the decade from 1959-1960 marked some miraculous turning point?
denverbill
May 2016
#295
I don't want to go back to the times of AA segregation, sit at the back of the
workinclasszero
May 2016
#7
We read the whole thing. We disagree with you. Stop implying that people who disagree with you are
PeaceNikki
May 2016
#75
ANY black person that tells you the 1950s are better than today is trying to sell you something
Number23
May 2016
#235
You can't be serious. If this post is sincere, it is very racially tone deaf.
Cheese Sandwich
May 2016
#13
Blacks? You don't care about women, gays, Native Americans? Not so good for them
snowy owl
May 2016
#69
It wasn't better for minorities ECONOMICALLY -- except there were more jobs as maids.
pnwmom
May 2016
#16
Wrong. The rising economic wealth of the 50's only lifted the boats of working white men.
pnwmom
May 2016
#132
Believe what you want to believe. Yes, for whites much better. Social prog. yet to evolve.
snowy owl
May 2016
#174
For white men but not white women -- unless they were happily married to successful men. n/t
pnwmom
May 2016
#176
No, it couldn't easily have been done. For instance, many middle class people then
pnwmom
May 2016
#26
For everybody. Rich and poor alike. Just like Burlington VT it was a better place
snowy owl
May 2016
#45
They still have three major colleges in the area, they won't miss Burlington College too much.
Agschmid
May 2016
#126
You are absolutely right about women's 3 career choices forcing the best & brightest women into them
Hekate
May 2016
#268
That guy needs to rethink his assumptions, but since he's had two posts hidden in this thread ...
Hekate
May 2016
#273
Here's the last person I saw say that blacks had it better pre civil rights:
barrow-wight
May 2016
#282
Union membership was at an all-time high, iirc. That meant blue-collar wage-earners could get ahead
Hekate
May 2016
#195
No, chief. You dismiss too many to be taken seriously. And you forgot women.
PeaceNikki
May 2016
#54
Angry? No, I am disgusted that you romanticize a time when so many were treated so much worse...
PeaceNikki
May 2016
#90
Women are a "social issue"? They're also half of the economy. And they weren't all lifted
pnwmom
May 2016
#133
I am literally laughing out loud. After all my efforts to write reasoned history-based responses...
Hekate
May 2016
#173
No question about it. Men also have hearty laughs, but women cackle. Men boom out...
Hekate
May 2016
#197
Hey, I sent away for my woman card because -- well, we ALL know after a certain age.
Hekate
May 2016
#214
But what about the five mouth breathers that rec'd this crap? Who I'm sure are the FIRST ones to
Number23
May 2016
#248
Tell us how you really feel. I perceive you are holding back and bottling it all up.
Hekate
May 2016
#252
I don't think you can prove that. Read about Henry Wallace if you want to learn.
snowy owl
May 2016
#49
So for you it's all about "consumerism." You think tech woud not have progressed?
snowy owl
May 2016
#58
Funny that you can exclude women and POC and still imagine that "most people"
bettyellen
May 2016
#61
Women and POC were restricted in choices and options, at work as well as in society.
suffragette
May 2016
#148
No, it's about standard of living. For you it's all about incorrect romanticism.
Corporate666
May 2016
#83
Agree. Post notes Powell's initiation of corporatism. Should have said Seventies!
snowy owl
May 2016
#111
No, for the average straight white man, it was better. Everyone else was fucked.
PeaceNikki
May 2016
#77
"The 50s were a better time, except for all those people for whom it was a bad time."
gollygee
May 2016
#62
I will give him the benefit of the doubt and just believe he didn't think it through.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#163
Death of a Salesman is quite depressing for those who knew people caught in that trap.
Hoyt
May 2016
#245
The fifties weren't a better time for women, for people of color, for gays, and for Mexicans.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#73
Yeah, we see that. You're dismissing everyone who's not a straight white male.
PeaceNikki
May 2016
#88
I have seen the argument in this thread we were better off than most of the world.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#93
Don't forget WW ll left much of Asia, Europe, and parts of Africa in ruin.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#101
Problem is education: post correlated with Powell Piece. People no longer read nor comprehend
snowy owl
May 2016
#97
Holy shit, you are thick and arrogant as hell. People don't agree with you. deal with it.
PeaceNikki
May 2016
#110
Maybe you should stop dismissing how fucked up it was for everybody EXCEPT white men
bravenak
May 2016
#135
I forgot to mention women but I did mention religion. It was hard for women.
snowy owl
May 2016
#162
That leaded gasoline sure tasted better than the crap we've got now!
Warren DeMontague
May 2016
#123
Thank God that Hipster Frank Sinatra fetishization seems to have abated a bit
Warren DeMontague
May 2016
#160
I grew up in the 70s, and I really miss not being able to go anywhere without being choked by
Warren DeMontague
May 2016
#228
Agree. Two biggest problems: population; depleting resources (land,water,food,etc)
snowy owl
May 2016
#134
Our government was progressive. The industrialized world was recovering from WWII devastation.
pampango
May 2016
#152
I see you modified a few things. But let me point out that after WW II "Rosie the Riveter" was fired
Hekate
May 2016
#167
LIFE magazine was the visual history of the time in part as we wanted to see ourselves...
Hekate
May 2016
#210
The most ignorant, tone deaf and embarassing thing I've seen in a long time here
Number23
May 2016
#233
I hope that all of the folks that brayed like mules when someone posted an opinon piece from a black
Number23
May 2016
#237
I'll never understand anyway. This is just an extension of the screaming about "identity politics,"
Number23
May 2016
#246
You are out of your ever loving mind. The 50's sucked so bad that the 60's was a giant
Bluenorthwest
May 2016
#241
If the 50s were so wonderful, why did we need the Great Society programs in the 60s
onenote
May 2016
#253