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2016 Postmortem

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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:27 PM Jun 2016

AP did not report news, AP chose to make news. [View all]

AP decided to hold an anonymous poll of supers. AP decided to count them as if they were equivalent to elected and pledged. They decided to report this as a "clinch" that doesn't exist until the convention.

The timing and results of a poll initiated by a news organization are not the same as a "news story" in the sense of an independent development on which the organization reports. These results are an activity of the organization itself. They would not exist at all without the organization deciding to make them exist.

They timed their poll - which, again, is an anonymous survey of unnamed persons who are not in any sense obligated to live by it - for release on the Monday before the last big round of elections.

Anyone would understand in advance that this fucks over the voters and probably screws around with the results.

AP didn't care, they wanted to steal the attention that belongs to the voters in California and five other states.

I can see from this board that for once there are no clear Clinton vs. Sanders lines on the question. Many are disgusted by unscrupulous and irresponsible behavior that would not be possible without a healthy contempt for democracy.

This is the construction of news, not "reporting." These are the actions of media whores without scruples or decency -- people who would trip their grandma down the stairs if it would get them a career boost. Fuck them.

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The damage this is going to do is staggering Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #1
+ 100 or more. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #6
+1 InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #8
Absolutely agree that the damage will be great from this AP move. It seems to have motivated my eastwestdem Jun 2016 #11
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #12
California has other elections on the Ballot including Open Senate Seat to replace Boxer JI7 Jun 2016 #30
+1 jack_krass Jun 2016 #33
Of course, you are correct. But the Hillary camp has been playing this game since day one. How many GoneFishin Jun 2016 #35
Well, can't wait to see how they win while alienating Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #43
Yep. There are regular posts here attempting to set up Bernie supporters as scapegoats if she GoneFishin Jun 2016 #45
Trump clinched weeks ago Dem2 Jun 2016 #36
X10000000 onecaliberal Jun 2016 #38
+1 cui bono Jun 2016 #41
This. yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #48
Worse. AP and other media have participated in kingmaking for the past four years. merrily Jun 2016 #2
It's outragous. K&R myrna minx Jun 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #4
Did you actually read the OP? MelissaB Jun 2016 #5
Of course not. Herd response. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #10
Superdelegates aren't anonymous. You can continue to claim it, but that doesn't make it true. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #7
You misrepresent. First time is a mistake, twice is stupid. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #9
The AP is keeping this last batch of SDs that allegedly called them to pledge to Hillary secret. cui bono Jun 2016 #42
*cui bono?* n/t bvf Jun 2016 #13
I don't know about that. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #14
I agree that the bottom line is all that matters bvf Jun 2016 #15
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #16
Truth. AzDar Jun 2016 #17
If AP didn't report it some other news agency would have. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #18
None of them would be right to announce clinch, clinch JackRiddler Jun 2016 #20
That's not making news, that's basic journalism. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #19
Springing a lie that may suppress voter turnout before election day? JackRiddler Jun 2016 #21
Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it a lie. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #26
It doesn't matter that superdelegates count. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #28
Pledged delegates don't vote until July 25 either. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #29
You know the difference, so why am I bothering? JackRiddler Jun 2016 #32
So under the bus with the AP? Tell me, Jack, Hortensis Jun 2016 #22
"Under the bus" abuse automatically disqualifies any statement. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #24
The MSM has been creating the news since the very day they stole the election in 2000. Rex Jun 2016 #23
GLENN GREENWALD FOR THE TL;DR JackRiddler Jun 2016 #25
In addition to not understanding math, you can't understand the term 'presumptive nominee'. randome Jun 2016 #27
Do you know any tricks other than projection? JackRiddler Jun 2016 #31
So why didn't this popular movement translate into votes? randome Jun 2016 #34
Obviously, because people who give millions of $ they don't have and wait in the heat and cold for GoneFishin Jun 2016 #40
Not only does FAIR agree with you. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #37
Fuck them and their owned candidate they can take credit for the destruction trump onecaliberal Jun 2016 #39
fucking gossip is what it was. Murrow is rolling in his grave. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #44
Manufactured consent felix_numinous Jun 2016 #46
Damn right eom noiretextatique Jun 2016 #47
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