2016 Postmortem

Proud Liberal Dem

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117. Point of order

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:55 PM

Jun 2016

During the last two Democratic Presidencies over the past 23 years, there has been a Democratic Congress and President working together for a grand total of FOUR (count 'em) years. 19 years of those were either a Democratic President being stuck with a Republican House or Senate (or both) or a Republican President with a Republican Congress (George W. Bush got a Republican Congress for SIX years) or a non-supermajority Democratic Congress that could not overcome a Republican President's vetoes. Tell me again how much liberal progress gets accomplished in four total years (spread out over nearly three decades? Also, tell me WTF happens after the first two years of a Democratic Presidency that loses us the majority for the rest of the Democratic President's term in office? It seems to have been this pattern with the last two Democratic Presidencies. Why?

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The problem is the Worldview of the Democratic Establishment and its members [View all] Armstead Jun 2016 OP

I'm perfectly *content* with her. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #1

Posts like this are not going to disappear, unless Skinner clamps down more than usual Armstead Jun 2016 #2

... and Bernie might still win. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #3

Yeah, I'm kind of curious about that myself............ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #21

He will clamp down on them as this is Democratic underground in an election year. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #65

We have our nominee ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #85

They think they are so clever. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #98

Of course you are. Chan790 Jun 2016 #4

Oh dear ... That's very amusing! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #13

Tick tock versus drip drop. panader0 Jun 2016 #77

In your imagination only. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #82

Thanks for kicking this fine OP. panader0 Jun 2016 #84

It hadn't dropped very far to begin with ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #87

Posting negative articles about Clinton Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #108

This is an article about a mind set that is very popular in the Democratic Party. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #111

Tick tock? DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #104

Come Thursday ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #121

"Progressives" lost for a generation... CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #5

He furthered that GOP/Reagan Worldview Armstead Jun 2016 #6

You miss the point. None of that could happen when Dems couldn't sniff the White House. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #8

I disagree Armstead Jun 2016 #17

Before him, the only Dem to win in six elections was Carter over someone never elected. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #20

Times change Armstead Jun 2016 #23

Yes, times change. Going the Clinton/Obama way has won five of the last six popular votes. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #25

Conservative Corporate is not the same as moderate Armstead Jun 2016 #26

Then Bush and the CIA torpedoed him with the Iranian hostage crisis. Octafish Jun 2016 #27

You are wrong Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #39

Clinton could have led the country to the left if he had chosen to Armstead Jun 2016 #44

He could not do any such thing. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #58

People were not clamoring for shit like NAFTA..Clinton enthusiastically pushed it Armstead Jun 2016 #59

That was actually a Bush idea that Clinton adopted Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #107

Global trade is not the same as the Corporate "free trade" agenda Armstead Jun 2016 #119

What a pant load AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #80

You should do some reading of the 92 election Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #101

I actually agree with you on the mind-set of the electorate ........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #28

Still believing trickle down? Didn't Obama raise the highest tax bracket? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #34

How much of a raise? And where are those tax receipts going....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #48

Theory disproven, you go back to 'it wasn't good enough'. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #54

If you think these guys are going to give up......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #73

That is oft-repeated anti-liberal mythology. merrily Jun 2016 #76

You're not disproving that from 1970-1992 no Democrat won except Carter. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #91

Aside from mythology, your statistic does not say a thing about liberals. merrily Jun 2016 #93

I'm saying if the country wanted it, someone you find progressive would have run and won. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #95

I don't agree. Among many other things, Democratic voters have bought the mythology merrily Jun 2016 #99

1. Bernie didn't win. 2. You say indies are the biggest group now, and they aren't that far left. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #100

There were so many other factors with Bernie. Um, I didn't say a thing about Indies, but merrily Jun 2016 #110

You said America is a liberal nation. If it is, the liberal should have won. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #113

False.. However, I just edited my Reply 110. If America were not liberal, merrily Jun 2016 #114

What's false about it? The liberal in a liberal party in a liberal nation didn't win. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #115

and what a great thing that was for the United States... choie Jun 2016 #129

We're better in every f'n way than when the Republicans were in charge. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #130

That's quite the high bar you got there... choie Jun 2016 #131

Listening to some of you, I'd think you were Republicans. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #132

That's really rich choie Jun 2016 #134

When all you do is complain about everything Dems do, it sounds a lot like a Republican. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #135

I'm not a blind follower choie Jun 2016 #140

Very well said. n/t ms liberty Jun 2016 #7

Sure, blame the world on the Democratic Party and ignore Republicans. randome Jun 2016 #9

Why do they ALWAYS blame the democratic party? workinclasszero Jun 2016 #15

I wish it were that simple Armstead Jun 2016 #18

It's more like NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #36

It is that simple Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #46

This is a simplistic and wrongheaded worldview that should be rejected out of hand. Chan790 Jun 2016 #62

Not ignoring problems. The GOP are the worst problem. But the Democrats have not been the solution. Armstead Jun 2016 #16

Politics abhors a gadfly. (Which, btw, is why Sanders has made so little progress.) randome Jun 2016 #19

Reagan was a major gadfly, and he won and won again and pushed the country in his direction Armstead Jun 2016 #24

Reagan wasn't as much of a gadfly as you might think. randome Jun 2016 #33

Reagan took the role of gadfly....and to some Republicans he was. Clinton was too. Armstead Jun 2016 #61

Reagan was much more of a political force in California in the '60s....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #74

And that 40% that Sanders got in the Democratic Primary races......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #42

Excellent post! Melissa G Jun 2016 #30

I like that phrase "panoramic vision" Armstead Jun 2016 #32

I have never seen a more damningly-accurate summation of the post-WJC Democratic party. n/t Chan790 Jun 2016 #64

"They control the reins of power in the House and Senate." Chan790 Jun 2016 #60

More equitable world view compared to what? The Republicans? that's like trying to hurdle Exilednight Jun 2016 #112

Excellent post. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #10

Kick rec Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #11

Kicked and recced. The neoliberalism takeover by New Democrats is complete Arazi Jun 2016 #12

K&R.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #14

That's the power of TC's strawman. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #79

Who or what is TC?? disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #81

Thread Creator -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #83

So you respond to me.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #89

You nailed it. bunnies Jun 2016 #22

The DLC hasn't existed for years. One of the 99 Jun 2016 #29

Read up -- They have morphed into another group with the same aims.... Armstead Jun 2016 #35

Yes One of the 99 Jun 2016 #38

It could be that that particular worldview threatens the middle class and the health of the planet. Melissa G Jun 2016 #49

Or maybe you just don't like that not everyone agrees with you nt One of the 99 Jun 2016 #51

Is that actually your response? Melissa G Jun 2016 #55

Your posts One of the 99 Jun 2016 #71

Ah.. more lack of facts or links Melissa G Jun 2016 #86

Don't need facts or links One of the 99 Jun 2016 #88

Your assertion Melissa G Jun 2016 #109

Yes they are One of the 99 Jun 2016 #122

LOL!!! Melissa G Jun 2016 #125

No what's sad is One of the 99 Jun 2016 #133

Thank you for your concern and case and point Melissa G Jun 2016 #136

Better than One of the 99 Jun 2016 #137

You are never bothered by someone with a "different worldview"? Fumesucker Jun 2016 #66

So your saying that ISIS and the defunct DLC are the same? One of the 99 Jun 2016 #70

Do members of ACORN now make up the powerful and leadership or is that a strawman you are erecting? TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #116

No strawman at all One of the 99 Jun 2016 #123

Which member of ACORN is the presumptive nominee for a major party? TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #138

None One of the 99 Jun 2016 #139

No former DLC members hold those positions? BULLSHIT. TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #142

The key word being former One of the 99 Jun 2016 #143

so you say Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #47

You're just parroting the same nonsense that has been repeated endlessly Armstead Jun 2016 #52

Actually it does Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #57

+1 DCBob Jun 2016 #68

When there is no election it gets ignored. We have to "keep our powder dry" endlessly. Armstead Jun 2016 #97

Point of order Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #117

Point of order....It doesn't matter Armstead Jun 2016 #118

That is so delusional One of the 99 Jun 2016 #124

Democrats fight fair Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #126

Great points One of the 99 Jun 2016 #141

Well said One of the 99 Jun 2016 #72

+100 Duval Jun 2016 #90

The DLC as an organizational name has not existed for years Melissa G Jun 2016 #41

FAUX news hosts One of the 99 Jun 2016 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Melissa G Jun 2016 #45

Says you upaloopa Jun 2016 #31

Whatever...This is a discussion board and we all share our views Armstead Jun 2016 #37

Lofty talk and so much purity Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #50

Purity....another useless meaningless meme Armstead Jun 2016 #53

Damn right it is useless Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #56

tick tock.. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #40

I am sure that the Dems are always at fault Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #63

Not Democrats... Chan790 Jun 2016 #67

If you put as much effort into attacking Republicans as you do attacking Democrats.. DCBob Jun 2016 #69

I don't believe in echo chanmbers Armstead Jun 2016 #94

Clearly there is no echo chamber here.. DCBob Jun 2016 #103

Unity yes. Monolithic blind support of everything, no Armstead Jun 2016 #105

Bernie lost.. Hillary is our nominee. DCBob Jun 2016 #106

I stand by above post Armstead Jun 2016 #120

This is similar to what Thomas Frank discusses in his recent book "Listen, Liberal" m-lekktor Jun 2016 #75

Great summarization, Armstead. Duval Jun 2016 #78

Very well put. It's not that Clinton is "evil," like in the overwrought responses to her. villager Jun 2016 #92

Nothing wrong with the vast majority of large corporations. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #96

It's not when they behave that's the problem Armstead Jun 2016 #102

Excellent OP dreamnightwind Jun 2016 #127

yes 840high Jun 2016 #128