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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
79. The threshold is 5%, not 3%
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:52 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:50 AM - Edit history (1)

The disaffection with both presumptive major-party nominees is so great that the two leading minor parties can expect a good year. The Libertarians (about one percent of the vote in 2012) will pick up some traditional Republicans who can't stand Trump; the presence of Weld on the ticket will help that process. The Greens (about one third of one percent of the vote in 2012) will get some progressives who can't stand Clinton.

A big difference is that Clinton had the overwhelming support of the party establishment, while Trump ran against his party's establishment. As a result, with a significant bloc of Republican elected officials ranging from lukewarm support to express denunciations, it will be easier for rank-and-file Republicans to decide to defect. I think the Libertarian Party has a shot at hitting 5%, but the Green Party is very unlikely to, especially with Bernie endorsing Clinton.

Now, getting back to your OP... none of the above matters. Even if the Libertarians reach 5%, they will not elect the President anytime in the next several decades, and the Greens are even less likely to do so. As a practical matter, we will, in 2020, have two parties that have any realistic chance of winning the White House. The only significance of the minor parties will be in pulling off votes and thereby indirectly influencing which major-party nominee will win.

On edit: Here's a link to the FEC page giving the 5% figure.

Fine by me (nt) bigwillq Jun 2016 #1
*Prediction. Agschmid Jun 2016 #2
Perdition? MineralMan Jun 2016 #3
NO objection here! One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #4
The more the merrier! (n/t) PJMcK Jun 2016 #5
No, only dumbasses will vote for Stein, Trump, or Johnson. FSogol Jun 2016 #6
I am positive they will... alittlelark Jun 2016 #7
Yes because marijuana legalization is the only important issue. Agschmid Jun 2016 #9
He's still better than Trump (for a real conservative voter, not a nativist racist asshole) JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #76
Johnson is a frigging clown. Sure, some emotionally stunted Ayn Rand fans FSogol Jun 2016 #10
He was our Gov TWICE here in NM... alittlelark Jun 2016 #30
"it's gonna happen..." brooklynite Jun 2016 #85
So the only smart ones are the Hillary voters? Reter Jun 2016 #61
Appears that way....... alittlelark Jun 2016 #63
The liberals right now are at 12%, and all of those partys probably think you a fool too swhisper1 Jun 2016 #71
Not to mention, if he can get to 15%, he appears at the debate. Bob41213 Jun 2016 #72
I think it is healthy to have a third voice in the debates, if he is allowed to talk swhisper1 Jun 2016 #73
Probably not. In 2012, Johnson was polling 8%, ended up with 1%. Stein got 0.35%. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #8
+1 n/t FSogol Jun 2016 #11
obama was too strong. Both the nominees have dismal favorables this time around and people will swhisper1 Jun 2016 #74
The two party system clearly isn't working NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #12
If you think we have "one party" and can't see the difference between the two, someone needs to give SFnomad Jun 2016 #13
Just because a penny has two faces, Urchin Jun 2016 #27
Yeah and there's the little matter of the money CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #46
Of course there is a difference. We now have conservative and crazy right-wing conservative parties Live and Learn Jun 2016 #50
"An eagle cannot fly with two right wings." eom cyberpunk Jun 2016 #90
And yet the parties are more polarized than at any point since Reconstruction mythology Jun 2016 #16
Bernie had a choice to run as an Independent... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #21
There's a difference between confidence and foolhardiness. thesquanderer Jun 2016 #26
I'm more irritated at his attitude tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #28
here's why NJCher Jun 2016 #48
the revolution was more important If he went indy, he would have won easily, but vilified by both swhisper1 Jun 2016 #75
If you believe that, you're probably on the wrong site. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #39
Is it really? Fuddnik Jun 2016 #80
Can't happen any too soon! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #14
Hillary will still win wyldwolf Jun 2016 #15
Given the growing Independent registrations Jackilope Jun 2016 #17
Let's hope so. The "Good Cop/Bad Cop" game is no longer fooling anyone. n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #18
I predict over 40,000 parties in November, lots and lots of celebrating defeating the Repukes L. Coyote Jun 2016 #19
Sorry. Didn't mean to copy your post. Should have read up. nt postatomic Jun 2016 #38
I copied and pasted your OP to compose my post title above. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #58
We wil need them Old Codger Jun 2016 #20
In a four-party system, Trump would be president. athena Jun 2016 #22
I am not insane... Only the insane would vote Trump. alittlelark Jun 2016 #31
No, "almost half of Dems" are not "deeply dissatisfied with our candidate" at all. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #35
uhhh, yeah... where do you live? alittlelark Jun 2016 #42
In reality, where the Greens and Lolbertarians aren't going to become relevant parties. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47
Are you riding unicorns to drink at the chocolate fountain? alittlelark Jun 2016 #56
"where do you live?" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #53
magnus is absolutely right, and she is not winning indys either. there is no bubble swhisper1 Jun 2016 #77
I wonder if those "predicting" and advocating for this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #34
I stand by my prediction... Both will get 3%+ alittlelark Jun 2016 #52
I'm sure you do; but, the outcome will not come out well. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #55
That could certainly be the case.. but I still think alittlelark Jun 2016 #59
yes I just stated the same didn't read your post. DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #69
I haven't seen any polls that confirm that. If you have one please share it. totodeinhere Jun 2016 #51
Hillary will win no matter what - the PTB want her.... alittlelark Jun 2016 #60
How about a vastly shortened campaign, such as... 3catwoman3 Jun 2016 #23
and no president Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #25
We already have them Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #24
I'd like Instant Runoff voting in all elections nt k8conant Jun 2016 #29
Me, too NJCher Jun 2016 #49
I'll let history argue with you. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #32
Yeah ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #33
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #36
Wrong. postatomic Jun 2016 #37
BWUHAHAHA! You don't start national parties from the top down. Win some local races first, maybe. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #40
All it takes is 3% of the vote...... alittlelark Jun 2016 #64
Actually, it takes 5% of the vote. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #83
Four parties under the electoral college system are not an improvement. It means congress stevenleser Jun 2016 #41
I admit to not being 'up to speed' on this issue - alittlelark Jun 2016 #43
The problem with multiple parties under the electoral college system is the requirement stevenleser Jun 2016 #44
Sounds like sane liberal people need to take over Congress.... alittlelark Jun 2016 #45
It would be an improvement... Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #54
I am going to have 4 parties too! jaceaf Jun 2016 #57
Uh, no GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #62
You have no faith in the billionaires who own our government. nt valerief Jun 2016 #65
But I DO!!! I DO!!! I believe they will attempt to marginalize alittlelark Jun 2016 #66
They like their two-party system--center and right. nt valerief Jun 2016 #67
the electoral system DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #68
yes, and there might be a 5th tho they will attempt to throw the DNC back to democracy from the swhisper1 Jun 2016 #70
Jill Stein rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #78
Amazing how many people assume Jill Stein will the Green Party nominee... brooklynite Jun 2016 #86
Lol funny rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #87
The threshold is 5%, not 3% Jim Lane Jun 2016 #79
If Rump loses MFM008 Jun 2016 #81
Are you part of the psychic friends network? pdsimdars Jun 2016 #82
No, but I play one on DU.... alittlelark Jun 2016 #89
We'll still have a two Party system... brooklynite Jun 2016 #84
People simply want representation felix_numinous Jun 2016 #88
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