2016 Postmortem

MADem

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113. There are lots of young women (and old women) and young girls for whom this is an important

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:26 AM

Jun 2016

and very symbolic occasion.

It really IS a big deal. If HRC picks Warren as VP, it will be an even bigger deal.

Won't it be something to see a CABINET that LOOKS LIKE America? Half the people around that table being female?

Her nomination, and her Presidency, are game changers. I hope the media stops carping and crabbing, and starts to appreciate this fact.

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I was here in 2008. I supported Obama. But I don't recall being told that there could be [View all] jillan Jun 2016 OP

I was here and I DO remember that. I took a little break, adjusted my attitude, MADem Jun 2016 #1

I hope Bernie supporters do the same... chillfactor Jun 2016 #2

Don't expect people back. peace13 Jun 2016 #3

That's fine vdogg Jun 2016 #151

We must not let tRump win... that goes without saying. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #159

They will; the ones who are Democrats and liberals, anyway. MADem Jun 2016 #6

I really resent people telling me, a 60 year old woman who has voted dem in every election jillan Jun 2016 #8

With you, love. elleng Jun 2016 #19

Hey love... sheshe2 Jun 2016 #144

No one is calling you as an individual those things Armstead Jun 2016 #171

Has anyone, anyone at all implied it is in fact, The Only Thing? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #174

Huh? Who said that? MADem Jun 2016 #20

Stop pretending that you are not trying to offend notadmblnd Jun 2016 #24

You need to just STOP. I didn't say what you're accusing me of saying. MADem Jun 2016 #30

You need to stop. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #36

Get over it. We are at the cusp of an historic moment for our nation. nt MADem Jun 2016 #38

No we aren't. More of the same. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #48

Mmm hmmm. nt MADem Jun 2016 #53

Historic moment, my ass... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #61

Status quo? Establishment? Please. Enough with the buzzwords. MADem Jun 2016 #65

So out to lunch...sorry I engaged... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #69

Two more--So out to lunch/lost cause. MADem Jun 2016 #112

Rack 'em up, MADem... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #118

You are the one "racking 'em up" -- not me. nt MADem Jun 2016 #122

I'm just pointing out a general trend with your... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #131

That is not what you are doing. nt MADem Jun 2016 #135

"By that standard, Strom Thurmond was the Che of the South". AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #95

Yes. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #116

Yeah, that whole PP thing flummoxed me, too. MADem Jun 2016 #120

They have no place else to go. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #129

There's always Discussionist! MADem Jun 2016 #137

You do realize... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #177

I resent that there was all this excitement about there being the 1st black president but none about kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #110

There are lots of young women (and old women) and young girls for whom this is an important MADem Jun 2016 #113

See, there it is again... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #134

Well, he wouldn't have been--the first Jew, that is--to compete for the office, at any rate. MADem Jun 2016 #152

Very disappointing , but very predictable...considering the demographic profile of the "unexcited". Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #145

Because she is a woman? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #74

For me, it's icing on the cake. And a BIG effing deal. nt MADem Jun 2016 #90

Well I hope you get a nice big slice of it. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #97

And she's used it like a hammer to accuse ... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #106

Who has done this? Who is this she who has done this thing? MADem Jun 2016 #108

She = her surrogates... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #139

I think collective punishment is a non-starter. "She" has done no such thing. MADem Jun 2016 #146

Oh, you have said plenty over the past year. Do you think our memories are that short? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #41

I have supported MY candidate--and that, like it or not, is not a crime. nt MADem Jun 2016 #42

You've done much worse than that. And I do consider supporting Hillary pretty bad. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #47

You consider supporting Hillary pretty bad, do you? Why are you still here? MADem Jun 2016 #55

Not midnight yet, have some patience. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #60

It's midnight in my neck o'the woods--it's 0153 hours as I type this! nt MADem Jun 2016 #67

Guess your neck of the woods doesn't count. Blame Skinner, not me. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #68

I can wait until Pacific time, if needs must! nt MADem Jun 2016 #77

You'll have to. And till the convention too, nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #83

It's been over since NY. nt MADem Jun 2016 #86

Nope, it goes on through July. Deal with it. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #89

You are welcome to believe that if it makes you feel better. MADem Jun 2016 #99

I hate break it to you but DU is not the rest of the world. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #125

I am not talking about DU. MADem Jun 2016 #132

Not the whole world. Stop limiting your views. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #133

I am not "limiting my views." The whole world knows she is the MADem Jun 2016 #136

Never said she wasn't. Presumptive being the key word. You do know what it means? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #138

Yes--and it means what it meant when we ascribed it to POTUS Obama, and John Kerry and Al Gore and MADem Jun 2016 #148

You've said plenty to me and other Bernie supporters ... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #57

I have NEVER gotten personal with you--but you can't say the same to me. MADem Jun 2016 #62

Well, you have gotten personal with plenty of others. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #70

No, I haven't. I stick to issues and ideas, and very often, when it MADem Jun 2016 #73

I've been a witness and on the recieving end. Try a simple search. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #79

If it's so simple, show me where I've personally insulted you. MADem Jun 2016 #84

I really don't have anytime to spare for you. Especially in light of the fact that I won't even be Live and Learn Jun 2016 #94

OK, in sum, that "simple search" turned up nothing. MADem Jun 2016 #117

Maybe you just can't see it when you do it. You certainly blame others for it when they aren't Live and Learn Jun 2016 #119

I can't see it because I don't do it--I simply do not name call. MADem Jun 2016 #121

Perception, I tell you. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #123

You can tell me all you want, but I just don't do it, and that 'simple search' could have been done MADem Jun 2016 #126

Don't bother, you obviously can't see it. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #128

Your entire post is BS...and I don't mean... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #76

+1000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #80

There ya go--"Your entire post is BS" -- how charming. MADem Jun 2016 #82

Speaking ill of a post is not a personal attack. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #91

Calling a liberal Democrat a conservative was intended to insult. MADem Jun 2016 #103

She didn't call you a conservative at all. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #105

"...you are no better than a lot of my conservative acquaintances. " MADem Jun 2016 #124

Nope, quite a difference. And, here I thought you were a teacher. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #127

No, no difference. And I'm not a teacher--obviously you confuse me with someone else. MADem Jun 2016 #149

There you go again... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #98

Annnnd a double down! nt MADem Jun 2016 #101

MAdem, I can't figure out why or how you pushed their buttons. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #104

I don't get it either. MADem Jun 2016 #107

Maybe it is just coming down to the wire and people are processing not just the loss AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #111

You might be right! In fact, that is a likely explanation! MADem Jun 2016 #114

I was sleeping through all this and awoke Hortensis Jun 2016 #164

Our 'home' was rotting to the core any way. Moving on. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #130

You have more patience than me! WhiteTara Jun 2016 #180

"I see it over and over again--it's a pattern." Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #147

no it goes this way if you don't vote for Hillary then you're not a Democrat or a liberal azurnoir Jun 2016 #25

Enough is right. 840high Jun 2016 #33

Ditto dat. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #39

I resent me, a 63 year old woman being called sheshe2 Jun 2016 #43

One person used the term corporate whore - the physician who helped write the ACA & he jillan Jun 2016 #46

One? sheshe2 Jun 2016 #49

Right? LisaM Jun 2016 #54

Thanks LisaM. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #75

Right, and young women who supported Bernie were told... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #66

+1000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #71

I never said that. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #78

You never said that, but Albright sure did tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #100

I recall many here calling Mitt a corporate whore and yet no complaints. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #72

MADem said nothing of the sort Hekate Jun 2016 #88

I think you MORE than qualify. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #160

Where did she say that? She didn't. Hortensis Jun 2016 #162

LOl. Never thought I'd see the day. Sanders and his supporters are not Democrat enough notadmblnd Jun 2016 #18

No one said that. Stop allowing bias to cloud your vision. MADem Jun 2016 #22

I may be bitter and angry. I can admit that and I can state many reasons why notadmblnd Jun 2016 #32

Because those who love the status quo know that Bernie started something that isn't over yet: Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #45

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #51

I think you're probably right. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #63

I don't know where or why you accuse me of that. I'm happy this nightmare is ending. MADem Jun 2016 #50

I disagree and that'll just have to be that. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #59

What do you mean no one said that?! tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #93

The disconnect with that is bizarre indeed. n/t JimDandy Jun 2016 #23

What's so Historic about this? I'm genuinely curious why so Exilednight Jun 2016 #155

We don't want status quo in the White House. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #37

Bernie supporters likewise don't want Trump in W.H... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #172

Same here. I was a Clinton supporter. It stung to lose, but after a break, I got back with it. Lyric Jun 2016 #157

Hope people reconsider MFM008 Jun 2016 #4

Great but my question was about Obama in 2008. jillan Jun 2016 #5

I wasn't too close to the place, or the candidates, then, jillan. elleng Jun 2016 #9

I Cant tell you MFM008 Jun 2016 #92

Anything suggesting that he should lose or in favor of an alternative movement was quashed. Zynx Jun 2016 #7

Quite a distinction between 'constructive criticism' and 'concern trolling,' elleng Jun 2016 #12

Depends on how it's done. Zynx Jun 2016 #15

Concern trolling is, for example, posting about a new RW book against Hillary, pnwmom Jun 2016 #141

Not a new issue, elleng Jun 2016 #142

That would be an example of concern trolling at its lowest. pnwmom Jun 2016 #143

Here is what Skinner posted in 2008: JTFrog Jun 2016 #10

Thanks for this. There goes another conspiracy theory of things being different back then. grossproffit Jun 2016 #13

No problem. JTFrog Jun 2016 #17

Thanks for this - but it is different. We were allowed to criticize Obama back then - jillan Jun 2016 #31

I suggest you seek clarification in ATA. I think the guidelines are essentially the same. MADem Jun 2016 #52

How is it different? JTFrog Jun 2016 #109

Well done...thanks for taking the trouble to compile this. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #150

That's what it comes down to. joshcryer Jun 2016 #154

Thank you for posting this DesertRat Jun 2016 #58

Apparently, this years Hillbots are far more fragile SheilaT Jun 2016 #11

The Terms of Service were in effect then. JohnnyRingo Jun 2016 #14

The attacks against her have, on average, been far worse than what was said about Lieberman. Zynx Jun 2016 #16

You're kidding right? Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #87

I was here in 2008 and recall no gag orders issued. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #21

You might want to refresh your memory at POST 10. nt MADem Jun 2016 #27

you are correct Cryptoad Jun 2016 #181

The rule then and now is that you cant trounce laserhaas Jun 2016 #26

No, we aren't in "uncharted" waters--Hillary is the presumptive nominee. MADem Jun 2016 #29

Presumps..assumps..are the mother of all..... laserhaas Jun 2016 #34

She will be nominated on the first ballot. If that's what you call "brokered" MADem Jun 2016 #40

so "brokered" jcgoldie Jun 2016 #115

You clearly have no idea what a brokered convention is. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #165

Clinton supporters are the minority here. joshcryer Jun 2016 #166

This is not GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #44

There is not going to be a brokered Democratic convention. okasha Jun 2016 #176

I ignore negative posts about PRESIDENT Obama underthematrix Jun 2016 #28

Good for you laserhaas Jun 2016 #35

Obama never had anything to criticize, policy-wise, going into the nomination KeepItReal Jun 2016 #56

That's a big difference RobertEarl Jun 2016 #85

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #102

See post 109. n/t JTFrog Jun 2016 #169

That has always been part of the TOS here. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #64

It's normal, and expected. Hekate Jun 2016 #81

Well, I've certainly been banned (unjustly, I believe) from the Obama room. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #96

You missed it. This is what happened then. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #140

Not really. There was no rule against being critical of his policies. Being critical of stated Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #161

In 2008 most DUers had rose colored glasses. joshcryer Jun 2016 #168

It's in the TOS you agreed to when you joined the site BainsBane Jun 2016 #153

You sure do like to throw your little rule hammers around. It's my understanding that Clinton w4rma Jun 2016 #156

I don't think adhering to a system you agreed to when you joined is "throwing little rule hammers ar LanternWaste Jun 2016 #179

Maybe you don't remember it because sufrommich Jun 2016 #158

exactly. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #170

What JTFrog posted liberal N proud Jun 2016 #163

Lol La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #167

+100 n/t. okieinpain Jun 2016 #173

I was here. I remember Skinner's carefully worded missive that constructive criticism LanternWaste Jun 2016 #175

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