2016 Postmortem

Bluenorthwest

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161. Not really. There was no rule against being critical of his policies. Being critical of stated

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:22 AM

Jun 2016

positions is a tool of political progress. Note, Obama ran fuming away about his enormous Christianity being hotly opposed to equal rights for LGBT.
If I had been asked to support that crock of bigotry silently I'd have left DU. Criticism of wrongheaded policies was not forbidden. I'd go so far as to say that those of us who pushed Obama on marriage equality assisted him in obtaining a chapter in his own legacy as well as our own rights. Those who nodded along in agreement with him opposing marriage equality just look biased and wrong and late to the party.

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I was here in 2008. I supported Obama. But I don't recall being told that there could be [View all] jillan Jun 2016 OP

I was here and I DO remember that. I took a little break, adjusted my attitude, MADem Jun 2016 #1

I hope Bernie supporters do the same... chillfactor Jun 2016 #2

Don't expect people back. peace13 Jun 2016 #3

That's fine vdogg Jun 2016 #151

We must not let tRump win... that goes without saying. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #159

They will; the ones who are Democrats and liberals, anyway. MADem Jun 2016 #6

I really resent people telling me, a 60 year old woman who has voted dem in every election jillan Jun 2016 #8

With you, love. elleng Jun 2016 #19

Hey love... sheshe2 Jun 2016 #144

No one is calling you as an individual those things Armstead Jun 2016 #171

Has anyone, anyone at all implied it is in fact, The Only Thing? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #174

Huh? Who said that? MADem Jun 2016 #20

Stop pretending that you are not trying to offend notadmblnd Jun 2016 #24

You need to just STOP. I didn't say what you're accusing me of saying. MADem Jun 2016 #30

You need to stop. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #36

Get over it. We are at the cusp of an historic moment for our nation. nt MADem Jun 2016 #38

No we aren't. More of the same. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #48

Mmm hmmm. nt MADem Jun 2016 #53

Historic moment, my ass... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #61

Status quo? Establishment? Please. Enough with the buzzwords. MADem Jun 2016 #65

So out to lunch...sorry I engaged... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #69

Two more--So out to lunch/lost cause. MADem Jun 2016 #112

Rack 'em up, MADem... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #118

You are the one "racking 'em up" -- not me. nt MADem Jun 2016 #122

I'm just pointing out a general trend with your... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #131

That is not what you are doing. nt MADem Jun 2016 #135

"By that standard, Strom Thurmond was the Che of the South". AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #95

Yes. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #116

Yeah, that whole PP thing flummoxed me, too. MADem Jun 2016 #120

They have no place else to go. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #129

There's always Discussionist! MADem Jun 2016 #137

You do realize... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #177

I resent that there was all this excitement about there being the 1st black president but none about kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #110

There are lots of young women (and old women) and young girls for whom this is an important MADem Jun 2016 #113

See, there it is again... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #134

Well, he wouldn't have been--the first Jew, that is--to compete for the office, at any rate. MADem Jun 2016 #152

Very disappointing , but very predictable...considering the demographic profile of the "unexcited". Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #145

Because she is a woman? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #74

For me, it's icing on the cake. And a BIG effing deal. nt MADem Jun 2016 #90

Well I hope you get a nice big slice of it. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #97

And she's used it like a hammer to accuse ... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #106

Who has done this? Who is this she who has done this thing? MADem Jun 2016 #108

She = her surrogates... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #139

I think collective punishment is a non-starter. "She" has done no such thing. MADem Jun 2016 #146

Oh, you have said plenty over the past year. Do you think our memories are that short? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #41

I have supported MY candidate--and that, like it or not, is not a crime. nt MADem Jun 2016 #42

You've done much worse than that. And I do consider supporting Hillary pretty bad. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #47

You consider supporting Hillary pretty bad, do you? Why are you still here? MADem Jun 2016 #55

Not midnight yet, have some patience. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #60

It's midnight in my neck o'the woods--it's 0153 hours as I type this! nt MADem Jun 2016 #67

Guess your neck of the woods doesn't count. Blame Skinner, not me. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #68

I can wait until Pacific time, if needs must! nt MADem Jun 2016 #77

You'll have to. And till the convention too, nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #83

It's been over since NY. nt MADem Jun 2016 #86

Nope, it goes on through July. Deal with it. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #89

You are welcome to believe that if it makes you feel better. MADem Jun 2016 #99

I hate break it to you but DU is not the rest of the world. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #125

I am not talking about DU. MADem Jun 2016 #132

Not the whole world. Stop limiting your views. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #133

I am not "limiting my views." The whole world knows she is the MADem Jun 2016 #136

Never said she wasn't. Presumptive being the key word. You do know what it means? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #138

Yes--and it means what it meant when we ascribed it to POTUS Obama, and John Kerry and Al Gore and MADem Jun 2016 #148

You've said plenty to me and other Bernie supporters ... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #57

I have NEVER gotten personal with you--but you can't say the same to me. MADem Jun 2016 #62

Well, you have gotten personal with plenty of others. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #70

No, I haven't. I stick to issues and ideas, and very often, when it MADem Jun 2016 #73

I've been a witness and on the recieving end. Try a simple search. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #79

If it's so simple, show me where I've personally insulted you. MADem Jun 2016 #84

I really don't have anytime to spare for you. Especially in light of the fact that I won't even be Live and Learn Jun 2016 #94

OK, in sum, that "simple search" turned up nothing. MADem Jun 2016 #117

Maybe you just can't see it when you do it. You certainly blame others for it when they aren't Live and Learn Jun 2016 #119

I can't see it because I don't do it--I simply do not name call. MADem Jun 2016 #121

Perception, I tell you. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #123

You can tell me all you want, but I just don't do it, and that 'simple search' could have been done MADem Jun 2016 #126

Don't bother, you obviously can't see it. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #128

Your entire post is BS...and I don't mean... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #76

+1000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #80

There ya go--"Your entire post is BS" -- how charming. MADem Jun 2016 #82

Speaking ill of a post is not a personal attack. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #91

Calling a liberal Democrat a conservative was intended to insult. MADem Jun 2016 #103

She didn't call you a conservative at all. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #105

"...you are no better than a lot of my conservative acquaintances. " MADem Jun 2016 #124

Nope, quite a difference. And, here I thought you were a teacher. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #127

No, no difference. And I'm not a teacher--obviously you confuse me with someone else. MADem Jun 2016 #149

There you go again... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #98

Annnnd a double down! nt MADem Jun 2016 #101

MAdem, I can't figure out why or how you pushed their buttons. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #104

I don't get it either. MADem Jun 2016 #107

Maybe it is just coming down to the wire and people are processing not just the loss AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #111

You might be right! In fact, that is a likely explanation! MADem Jun 2016 #114

I was sleeping through all this and awoke Hortensis Jun 2016 #164

Our 'home' was rotting to the core any way. Moving on. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #130

You have more patience than me! WhiteTara Jun 2016 #180

"I see it over and over again--it's a pattern." Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #147

no it goes this way if you don't vote for Hillary then you're not a Democrat or a liberal azurnoir Jun 2016 #25

Enough is right. 840high Jun 2016 #33

Ditto dat. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #39

I resent me, a 63 year old woman being called sheshe2 Jun 2016 #43

One person used the term corporate whore - the physician who helped write the ACA & he jillan Jun 2016 #46

One? sheshe2 Jun 2016 #49

Right? LisaM Jun 2016 #54

Thanks LisaM. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #75

Right, and young women who supported Bernie were told... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #66

+1000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #71

I never said that. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #78

You never said that, but Albright sure did tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #100

I recall many here calling Mitt a corporate whore and yet no complaints. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #72

MADem said nothing of the sort Hekate Jun 2016 #88

I think you MORE than qualify. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #160

Where did she say that? She didn't. Hortensis Jun 2016 #162

LOl. Never thought I'd see the day. Sanders and his supporters are not Democrat enough notadmblnd Jun 2016 #18

No one said that. Stop allowing bias to cloud your vision. MADem Jun 2016 #22

I may be bitter and angry. I can admit that and I can state many reasons why notadmblnd Jun 2016 #32

Because those who love the status quo know that Bernie started something that isn't over yet: Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #45

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #51

I think you're probably right. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #63

I don't know where or why you accuse me of that. I'm happy this nightmare is ending. MADem Jun 2016 #50

I disagree and that'll just have to be that. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #59

What do you mean no one said that?! tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #93

The disconnect with that is bizarre indeed. n/t JimDandy Jun 2016 #23

What's so Historic about this? I'm genuinely curious why so Exilednight Jun 2016 #155

We don't want status quo in the White House. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #37

Bernie supporters likewise don't want Trump in W.H... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #172

Same here. I was a Clinton supporter. It stung to lose, but after a break, I got back with it. Lyric Jun 2016 #157

Hope people reconsider MFM008 Jun 2016 #4

Great but my question was about Obama in 2008. jillan Jun 2016 #5

I wasn't too close to the place, or the candidates, then, jillan. elleng Jun 2016 #9

I Cant tell you MFM008 Jun 2016 #92

Anything suggesting that he should lose or in favor of an alternative movement was quashed. Zynx Jun 2016 #7

Quite a distinction between 'constructive criticism' and 'concern trolling,' elleng Jun 2016 #12

Depends on how it's done. Zynx Jun 2016 #15

Concern trolling is, for example, posting about a new RW book against Hillary, pnwmom Jun 2016 #141

Not a new issue, elleng Jun 2016 #142

That would be an example of concern trolling at its lowest. pnwmom Jun 2016 #143

Here is what Skinner posted in 2008: JTFrog Jun 2016 #10

Thanks for this. There goes another conspiracy theory of things being different back then. grossproffit Jun 2016 #13

No problem. JTFrog Jun 2016 #17

Thanks for this - but it is different. We were allowed to criticize Obama back then - jillan Jun 2016 #31

I suggest you seek clarification in ATA. I think the guidelines are essentially the same. MADem Jun 2016 #52

How is it different? JTFrog Jun 2016 #109

Well done...thanks for taking the trouble to compile this. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #150

That's what it comes down to. joshcryer Jun 2016 #154

Thank you for posting this DesertRat Jun 2016 #58

Apparently, this years Hillbots are far more fragile SheilaT Jun 2016 #11

The Terms of Service were in effect then. JohnnyRingo Jun 2016 #14

The attacks against her have, on average, been far worse than what was said about Lieberman. Zynx Jun 2016 #16

You're kidding right? Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #87

I was here in 2008 and recall no gag orders issued. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #21

You might want to refresh your memory at POST 10. nt MADem Jun 2016 #27

you are correct Cryptoad Jun 2016 #181

The rule then and now is that you cant trounce laserhaas Jun 2016 #26

No, we aren't in "uncharted" waters--Hillary is the presumptive nominee. MADem Jun 2016 #29

Presumps..assumps..are the mother of all..... laserhaas Jun 2016 #34

She will be nominated on the first ballot. If that's what you call "brokered" MADem Jun 2016 #40

so "brokered" jcgoldie Jun 2016 #115

You clearly have no idea what a brokered convention is. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #165

Clinton supporters are the minority here. joshcryer Jun 2016 #166

This is not GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #44

There is not going to be a brokered Democratic convention. okasha Jun 2016 #176

I ignore negative posts about PRESIDENT Obama underthematrix Jun 2016 #28

Good for you laserhaas Jun 2016 #35

Obama never had anything to criticize, policy-wise, going into the nomination KeepItReal Jun 2016 #56

That's a big difference RobertEarl Jun 2016 #85

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #102

See post 109. n/t JTFrog Jun 2016 #169

That has always been part of the TOS here. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #64

It's normal, and expected. Hekate Jun 2016 #81

Well, I've certainly been banned (unjustly, I believe) from the Obama room. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #96

You missed it. This is what happened then. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #140

Not really. There was no rule against being critical of his policies. Being critical of stated Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #161

In 2008 most DUers had rose colored glasses. joshcryer Jun 2016 #168

It's in the TOS you agreed to when you joined the site BainsBane Jun 2016 #153

You sure do like to throw your little rule hammers around. It's my understanding that Clinton w4rma Jun 2016 #156

I don't think adhering to a system you agreed to when you joined is "throwing little rule hammers ar LanternWaste Jun 2016 #179

Maybe you don't remember it because sufrommich Jun 2016 #158

exactly. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #170

What JTFrog posted liberal N proud Jun 2016 #163

Lol La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #167

+100 n/t. okieinpain Jun 2016 #173

I was here. I remember Skinner's carefully worded missive that constructive criticism LanternWaste Jun 2016 #175

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