2016 Postmortem

Orsino

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166. Why shouldn't a pool of delegates and candidates be able to compromise?

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:55 PM

Jun 2016

No rules require an all-or-nothing convention. Broadening of a nominee's appeal shouldn't only consist of tacking right.

I hear our nominee once had some experience as a diplomat.

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I have a theory on why Sanders is not conceding or endorsing at this poinjt [View all] Armstead Jun 2016 OP

I thought he's Faux pas Jun 2016 #1

That too....But I'm looking at the political calculations involved. Armstead Jun 2016 #2

Have you ever seen a political convention? Tortmaster Jun 2016 #134

Except when he said he wouldn't run a negative campaign redstateblues Jun 2016 #4

Oh stop that crap...He did not run a "negative" campaign anymore than Clinton did Armstead Jun 2016 #7

Calling her unqualified is not negative? redstateblues Jun 2016 #63

Calling one unqualified lancer78 Jun 2016 #99

Like I said: Bernie is perfect. Mr Positivity. LOL redstateblues Jun 2016 #107

and much more 840high Jun 2016 #126

character assassination, questioning her judgment and calling her unqualified BlueStateLib Jun 2016 #117

If you are that delicate then I suggest you run away and hide for the next five months Armstead Jun 2016 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #138

"Kiss her ring". Jesus Christ. randome Jun 2016 #3

And if Sanders just folds now, his issues disappear totally Armstead Jun 2016 #5

Who says he needs to fold? I LIKE his ideas! Most of us do! randome Jun 2016 #69

No he's the right guy....It requires a fighte,r whether one likes him personally or not Armstead Jun 2016 #79

You are wrong. Jakes Progress Jun 2016 #160

Just to correct the record -- He has excellent skills to get things done Armstead Jun 2016 #162

Sounds like thirty years ago he might have been a good mayor Jakes Progress Jun 2016 #170

His ideas getting taken seriously... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #128

Why will his issues disappear? They are not his issues alone.Dems have been speaking to these issues glennward Jun 2016 #82

Democrats have been ignoring these issues for a long time Armstead Jun 2016 #84

Democrats over the last 30 years have given up on the approach you describe Armstead Jun 2016 #122

That's exactly your problem, you think of them as "his" issues. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #119

No but he is representing issues that the Democratic power structure has marginalized Armstead Jun 2016 #121

No, he really isn't. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #125

Not his alone...but this year in Democratic politics only Bernie's campaign raised most of them. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #131

Nice strawman you've got there. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #132

you don't fight fire with smaller fires tk2kewl Jun 2016 #8

Actually, your analogy is mistaken. Fire breaks are smaller fires to contain a raging one. randome Jun 2016 #68

a fire break contains a fire while it consumes all available fuel tk2kewl Jun 2016 #70

Its a process -- Step one was demonstrating that there is a significant desire for change... Armstead Jun 2016 #77

That's a theme with this particular poster. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #73

That particular poster gives respect to those who express themselves reasonably.... Armstead Jun 2016 #85

Respect? NurseJackie Jun 2016 #116

"talk with people instead of at them" That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #133

I'm okay with that. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #6

Not insecure about her winning, but fear some ugly invectives hurled at her by "Progressives" as bettyellen Jun 2016 #40

That doesn't explain the attacks on Bernie. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #46

Bernie continues to promote progressive views, which makes her look bad. arcane1 Jun 2016 #76

Wow. The pictures in that coloring book are suitable for ages 8 and under. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #89

Kind of like the reading level of your nonsense post. arcane1 Jun 2016 #101

You had no point. You had broad-brush, intellectually lazy Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #102

Unlike the well-reasoned posts you put up in response? arcane1 Jun 2016 #103

+10 appalachiablue Jun 2016 #124

'aye 840high Jun 2016 #127

Seems reasonable to me. 1800+ people Hortensis Jun 2016 #9

Usually I'd not use those royal terms. But hypothetically.... Armstead Jun 2016 #11

Don't know where it came from, Hortensis Jun 2016 #17

I'd use the term "oligarchy" but that too is frowned on Armstead Jun 2016 #33

Oh? Hadn't noticed. Well, if one's describing Hortensis Jun 2016 #48

Oligarchs, unfortunately, don't much care about cookies Armstead Jun 2016 #51

True. But if they're to be taken seriously, Hortensis Jun 2016 #54

This has been the first time "oligarch" has been referred to in mainstream politics... Armstead Jun 2016 #59

Well, we can certainly agree that the Hortensis Jun 2016 #67

Pretty good theory. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #10

In response.... Armstead Jun 2016 #14

He'll cost himself a primetime speaking slot for symbolism? Wouldn't the speech be more effective? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #12

It would look (and be) petty to deny him a speaking slot on that basis, and ..... Armstead Jun 2016 #13

It's petty not to concede obvious defeat. I agree with Rendell. Active candidates don't speak. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #15

If Bernie concedes and endorses her after the vote but during the convention? Armstead Jun 2016 #16

The convention is a tightly scripted thing. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #20

That'd be boring as hell Armstead Jun 2016 #28

Primetime is one hour a night on the networks. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #39

I'm not going to debate all of the intri8cies Armstead Jun 2016 #44

What adjustment? You can't bump Hillary or her VP to make room for Bernie. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #58

There are ways...This is rigid thinking tghat has dominated the primaries Armstead Jun 2016 #61

Do you realize what duplicitous bs it is to say "vote for me" and "I support her" at the same time? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #66

Do you understand the word "symbolism" and what it means? Armstead Jun 2016 #83

He can go through with it. But no speaking slot for him until after, meaning no primetime. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #87

You and i are not drawing up the schedule, so it is immaterial Armstead Jun 2016 #88

Yeah, because the convention schedule is what voters think about in the booth. Lol. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #100

Yep. I'm in total agreement. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #45

I think a gracious and enthusiastic endorsement AFTER an honest vote would be far more effective Fozzledick Jun 2016 #74

We've had an honest vote. It was called the primaries. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #86

Why don't you want the delegates to vote? Be honest now. Fozzledick Jun 2016 #106

They're going to. I want him to endorse Hillary so we can be united on winning, with no distractions CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #108

What I said is the best time to endorse is AFTER the vote is taken and the nominee confirmed. Fozzledick Jun 2016 #109

Waiting until after the vote looks petty, and means nothing CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #110

Bullshit, what looks petty is trying to drive off the competition before the vote. Fozzledick Jun 2016 #112

Pointlessly carrying on when everyone knows you lost is divisive. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #113

No answer? So why do you keep repeating a lost argument? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #114

I'm with the majority. Bernie's the one being divisive, by not being a man and conceding. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #115

What a sleazy and divisive provocation! Fozzledick Jun 2016 #120

lol bonemachine Jun 2016 #154

Or he just can't bring himself to saying that he lost KingFlorez Jun 2016 #18

yeah whatever....it's all about personality and Reality Show drama Armstead Jun 2016 #19

Again, he simply cannot bring himself to saying that he lost KingFlorez Jun 2016 #23

"You can play conjecture all day"... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #27

You can attack me, but it will not change the fact that Sanders lost KingFlorez Jun 2016 #29

You stated that another poster is engaging in "conjecture"... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #42

This is a fucking political discussion board Armstead Jun 2016 #31

You are pulling things out of the air again KingFlorez Jun 2016 #37

You are correct on one level ....So half an apology. Armstead Jun 2016 #41

Right. And then the Clintonistas will resurrect the "fringe candidate" narrative RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #22

Those voters voted and were counted KingFlorez Jun 2016 #25

This reminds me of a relationship where one party wants to end it, but the other party can't/won't Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #94

Yes! It's like opting for a roll call instead of a voice vote RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #21

If he pulls somethin like that I would be in favor of the party retaliating once Hillary is elected. YouDig Jun 2016 #24

That'd be reallllll smart Armstead Jun 2016 #26

What's Bernie going to do? Start voting with the GOP? I doubt it. YouDig Jun 2016 #34

You are thinking short term, Armstead Jun 2016 #38

Yes. I am thinking about November, specifically. A lot hinges on that. YouDig Jun 2016 #47

Neither of us can predict the future... Armstead Jun 2016 #56

True dat. I hope you're right that it's "chill, Bernie's got this." YouDig Jun 2016 #60

Yep....But also remember that this transcends Sanders Armstead Jun 2016 #62

Brilliant strategy! Brilliant! RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #30

By then the election will be over and Hillary will be president. No more Bernie or Bust threats. YouDig Jun 2016 #35

That's probably some really great advice. I hope that Clinton and the DNC actually do try this. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #55

YouDig PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #175

Of course, and it's not a theory. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #32

Nah! He's still praying to the indictment fairy. Hey, who knows, it could happen. brush Jun 2016 #36

From the expectation of 5 or 10 percent to 43 pecent (about) is worth paying attention to Armstead Jun 2016 #43

Ahhh . . . he's hardly the first to propose many of those positions. Democrats have . . . brush Jun 2016 #50

Time will tell..... Armstead Jun 2016 #52

Many posters here are already writing as if the Sanders campaign never happened... villager Jun 2016 #49

Or -- worse -- just a minor little blip Armstead Jun 2016 #53

...to be safely-- insistently -- ignored, going forward. nt villager Jun 2016 #57

They have to crush Sanders, not just defeat him mikehiggins Jun 2016 #64

Well put and 100% correct. Nt Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #80

Exactly...."Certainly his continuing onto the convention floor is not preventing.." Armstead Jun 2016 #81

I was told by a Bernie supporter that the reason he hasn't Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #111

Trump is using Bernie's failure to concede to attack Hillary. pnwmom Jun 2016 #136

And once Bernie endorses her Trump will never say anything nasty again Armstead Jun 2016 #150

Take out crown and ring so I can recommend it. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #65

...so a year of campaigning wasn't enough to show the level of his support? brooklynite Jun 2016 #71

Nope Armstead Jun 2016 #75

BINGO! We have a winner! Fozzledick Jun 2016 #72

Nonsense. The biggest pot of gold Sanders has, are the emails and contact details of those who OnDoutside Jun 2016 #90

That's certainly one of the big negotiable points Armstead Jun 2016 #93

I wouldn't be a supporter of Bernie, as I've seen plenty of his type here in Europe but if I were OnDoutside Jun 2016 #96

And I would be clicking on "unsubscribe" with great enjoyment and gusto. n/t djean111 Jun 2016 #142

I'm sure they're lying awake over that. OnDoutside Jun 2016 #158

Oh, I know - they care as much about that as they care about anything you do. Which is not at all. djean111 Jun 2016 #159

Then they are more felix_numinous Jun 2016 #152

Well I'm sure you'll regale us of never having participated in the politics before, but the DNC gave OnDoutside Jun 2016 #157

In simpler terms: It's the right thing to do. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #78

People have to be allowed to declare themselves felix_numinous Jun 2016 #91

Exactamente Armstead Jun 2016 #92

Plus we are developing skills felix_numinous Jun 2016 #95

Good point....I hope you're correct Armstead Jun 2016 #148

Bernie is fighting for something bigger than Hillary. She is just a bump in the road of jillan Jun 2016 #97

Does anyone know if an End of Campaign process automatically kick into place if Sanders concedes ? OnDoutside Jun 2016 #98

If your intent is to imply that Bernie is only continuing for money and security reasons - djean111 Jun 2016 #143

His message is one of bluster and over promising but I was interested in the mechanics of what OnDoutside Jun 2016 #156

Hillary Clinton does not have the nomination. She has not "won." It is not official. senz Jun 2016 #104

What's despicable is your absurd conspriacy theory about the AP announcement. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #118

Maybe you're.... Armstead Jun 2016 #147

If the math said he had lost, he woud have conceded. senz Jun 2016 #151

It's his mailing list and donor database. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #105

I like this theory Armstead and I think you might be right. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #129

Nothing wrong with that. It's perfectly legitimate to do that. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #130

That's what some seem to want -- Mindless Monotony disguised as "unity" Armstead Jun 2016 #146

I agree. I want that affirmation of the important issues we voted for. Overseas Jun 2016 #153

Why should a minority of delegates be able to force their positions pnwmom Jun 2016 #135

You're right....40 percent of the primary voters don't count. They're NOTHING. Armstead Jun 2016 #145

You're saying that the minority should get to make the decisions. pnwmom Jun 2016 #155

Its called negotiation and compromise Armstead Jun 2016 #161

But Bernie's speech on Thursday was all about the "musts." Not about pnwmom Jun 2016 #163

You sound like my rethug senator's office helper. peace13 Jun 2016 #181

Why shouldn't a pool of delegates and candidates be able to compromise? Orsino Jun 2016 #166

Did you listen to Bernie's last address from his home? pnwmom Jun 2016 #167

I know certain politicians like to pre-negotiate away items at issue... Orsino Jun 2016 #168

Why not join US? The diverse majority of Democratic voters who voted for Hillary? n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #169

See, that just sounds like more kneel-before-Zod stuff. Orsino Jun 2016 #171

I haven't seen any indication that he wants to compromise on the platform. pnwmom Jun 2016 #172

Because he doesn't pre-negotiate away what he wants to win. Orsino Jun 2016 #174

Only his supporters think we "need" all the things he says we "must" have. pnwmom Jun 2016 #179

Put Senator Warren on the ticket so that we can ignote Sanders Gothmog Jun 2016 #137

That's silly....You'd not support something you might agree with because he supports it? Armstead Jun 2016 #144

With Warren on the ticket, Clinton does not have to pay attention to sanders games Gothmog Jun 2016 #149

I think he's reluctant to get out before the FBI report is released. Vinca Jun 2016 #139

Either that, or he is terrified his supporters would do to him what he had them do robbedvoter Jun 2016 #140

His stated purpose is indeed to promote his agenda. Orsino Jun 2016 #141

Why should his agenda take priority over hers? The voters chose Hillary and her agenda. pnwmom Jun 2016 #165

She's not in primary mode anymore. Orsino Jun 2016 #173

He is -- unless and until he suspends his primary campaign. nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #180

He's still running so he can still raise money through donations. nt TeamPooka Jun 2016 #164

Money, Money, Money liberal N proud Jun 2016 #177

Sounds logical. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #176

Does it seem weird to anyone that this can be posted.... peace13 Jun 2016 #178