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2016 Postmortem

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rgbecker

(4,851 posts)
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:27 AM Jun 2016

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"Despite his woes, not all the results of the new polls were heartening for Mrs. Clinton. The Journal-NBC survey found that her lead essentially disappears when candidates from the Green Party and Libertarian Party are included. She essentially tied Mr. Trump, with 39 percent to his 38 percent. Together, third-party candidates grabbed 16 percent of the support."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/us/politics/donald-trump-slips-further-behind-hillary-clinton-in-new-polls.html?action=click&contentCollection=us&module=NextInCollection&region=Footer&pgtype=article&version=newsevent&rref=collection%2Fnews-event%2Felection-2016

Clinton would be wise to get a strong progressive/green candidate on her ticket and listen to him/her.

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Looks like chickens have been counted before they were hatched. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #1
There seems to be little more HRC can do to "win over" Sanders' voters outside of giving him the Jitter65 Jun 2016 #2
Sorry, but extolling the virtues of the establishment won't help here. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #3
"establishment"--like John Lewis. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #5
What is not reality Uponthegears Jun 2016 #86
Apparently your definition of establishment is a new one. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #95
Allow me to disagree Uponthegears Jun 2016 #96
It's not about you. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #7
Establishment - like Barney Frank and Planned Parenthood? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #80
I wouldn't presume to tell whether Jitter65 considers Barney Frank "establishment", Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #88
I read your list of "Must dos" for Clinton to gain your support and I'm sure that everyone else who politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #98
The question is whether those supprters want the party to keep itself together. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #104
Uh, the establishment brought us what? PatrickforO Jun 2016 #51
And I want a Lamborghini Aventador 730 n/t cosmicone Jun 2016 #66
Thanks for the comment.... Human101948 Jun 2016 #101
Single payer won't work - at least done in less than 10 years. ehrnst Jun 2016 #81
Churchill, I believe, said that we American could always be counted on PatrickforO Jun 2016 #105
For many, many reasons, it's not feasible in the US at this time ehrnst Jun 2016 #112
The Defense Budget isn't "war spending". George II Jun 2016 #100
Much of it is. And much of the tremendous expenditures are wasted. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #107
She's getting no encouragement from them looks like she can't win them over - she will have to kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #53
Moving to the center is exactly what she shouldn't do. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #108
Maybe our party needs more TPP. Let's try that! n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #72
Please tell me that wasn't a serious suggestion? Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #89
I happen to agree that it's a shitty idea. It is the plan, however. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #93
The Green Party is on the ballot on 33 states; the Libertarians, 21. pnwmom Jun 2016 #22
You are right, hopefully. I have been a fervent Bernie supporter, PatrickforO Jun 2016 #109
Some don't realize the disaster if we got less than 270 electoral votes. pnwmom Jun 2016 #113
Yeah, you know I saw an article where an internal RNC memo PatrickforO Jun 2016 #114
I think Bernie effectively sent the message that there is a thirst among Dems pnwmom Jun 2016 #115
...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #42
Remember, it's not the people here who need to win over anyone. It's also not the people here eastwestdem Jun 2016 #49
This site is primarily entertainment for me because I love being able PatrickforO Jun 2016 #110
Take responsibility for your own choices 72DejaVu Jun 2016 #58
I support down-ticket Democrats alright. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #59
Not supporting the democratic nominee for POTUS violates TOS cosmicone Jun 2016 #67
Explicitly saying so violates the TOS. But I said: I support down-ticket Democrats Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #71
We keep hearing that she needs to win over the Sanders supporters liberal N proud Jun 2016 #79
Well, first, which is it? 51 to 39 or 46 to 41? Hortensis Jun 2016 #4
The poll looks like an outlier. I wouldn't worry about it. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #6
Again with the Mrs. Clinton mercuryblues Jun 2016 #8
What is the correct protocol? Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #10
Either SoS or Senator would be fine. "Honorable" also works. mikehiggins Jun 2016 #12
Well said Rose Siding Jun 2016 #14
See my #17 Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #18
have you ever mercuryblues Jun 2016 #15
Internet suggests that Senator is correct, but Secretary is not. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #17
When the media mercuryblues Jun 2016 #21
That is the New York Times format democrattotheend Jun 2016 #20
Don't they use the title the first time and then revert to bettyellen Jun 2016 #24
Only for the president, it seems democrattotheend Jun 2016 #26
I knew they always call him Pres Onama at first! bettyellen Jun 2016 #44
Sickening. I'm glad to finally know the reality of how women are really thought of. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #54
I think New York Times is complying with a gender-neutral style guide. David__77 Jun 2016 #57
Prediction: your facts will be ignored. n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #70
As well as the AP Stylebook. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #90
I would be curious about how they know her preference. spooky3 Jun 2016 #91
Here's some more information. David__77 Jun 2016 #92
Thanks, but your link didn't come through. spooky3 Jun 2016 #97
Sorry, I fixed it above. David__77 Jun 2016 #103
Thanks. spooky3 Jun 2016 #106
NBC not Wapo Johnny2X2X Jun 2016 #9
Correct. writes3000 Jun 2016 #11
yes this is NBC and WSJ MFM008 Jun 2016 #56
Jill Stein's vote share is an inconsequential target... brooklynite Jun 2016 #13
But Rose Siding Jun 2016 #16
By your logic she should get a libertarian VP. Stein gets 6, Johnson gets 10. YouDig Jun 2016 #19
They're on the ballot in only 33 states (Greens) and 21 states (Libertarians). pnwmom Jun 2016 #23
meh JoePhilly Jun 2016 #25
Hillary has never polled well with unaffiliated, new or independent voters. fasttense Jun 2016 #27
Some people hold on to principles and see that the best can be made from it. peace13 Jun 2016 #32
Like this. 840high Jun 2016 #43
A GREEN candidate? Kermit the Frog? DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #28
I think we are better than this. peace13 Jun 2016 #29
Speak for yourself DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #35
One would hope to think so, but NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #116
"3rd" parties always poll better now than they actually perform in November. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #30
Clinton IS a strong progressive MaggieD Jun 2016 #31
You do know she calls herself a moderate from time to time don't you? peace13 Jun 2016 #34
Moderate compared to a socialist MaggieD Jun 2016 #36
She's awesome at being everything! peace13 Jun 2016 #37
She is awesome at being a progressive Democrat MaggieD Jun 2016 #38
Not sure what you are trying to accomplish here. peace13 Jun 2016 #39
I'm supporting our party's nominee for president MaggieD Jun 2016 #40
Support is only meaningful if based on her actual record, and her progressive cred is too limited JudyM Jun 2016 #55
I disagree MaggieD Jun 2016 #60
Would you please point to specific achievements? I would like to be able to see "effectiveness" as JudyM Jun 2016 #64
Ushering through SCHIP as First Lady MaggieD Jun 2016 #65
We are hardly looking for purity, that's a false canard. JudyM Jun 2016 #69
Okay, but my perception is different than yours MaggieD Jun 2016 #73
Truth, a lot of people can't handle it uponit7771 Jun 2016 #47
This is Democratic Underground. We support he Democratic nominee. leftofcool Jun 2016 #52
That would be nice! MaggieD Jun 2016 #74
ain't that the truth. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #50
She is not a strong progressive Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #75
The facts simply don't support your assertion MaggieD Jun 2016 #77
Supporting Clinton and thinking she is a "strong progressive" Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #84
If the progressives of the Dem party endorse one candidate, and not the other ehrnst Jun 2016 #78
Exactly MaggieD Jun 2016 #82
I thought this was about whether Clinton was a progressive Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #83
Pissing match? I simply applied your logic about her ehrnst Jun 2016 #85
Then we are back to the other argument on this subthread Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #99
Lol,your defination is not mine. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #87
No worries - your definition of a Democrat is not mine either MaggieD Jun 2016 #94
16%? How can you add WhiteTara Jun 2016 #33
The former secretary of state is already wise. lapucelle Jun 2016 #41
Suggesting she would be "wise to get a strong progressive/green candidate on her ticket" SheilaT Jun 2016 #45
Sorry you misunderstood my suggestion. rgbecker Jun 2016 #46
Then I wish you'd have expressed it that way. SheilaT Jun 2016 #61
IMO did you make a freudian slip DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #63
81% of Sanders' supporters have already switched to Hillary. cosmicone Jun 2016 #68
Most of Julian Castro's political beliefs Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #62
The poll looks like an outlier RAFisher Jun 2016 #48
81% of Sanders supporters say they will vote for Hillary still_one Jun 2016 #76
It's really quite irrelevant, because Stein & Johnson will end up with less than 1% in November. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #102
Not to reopen an old wound but tell that to Al Gore. bklyncowgirl Jun 2016 #111
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