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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The TPP - question - how will this benefit the average American? [View all]Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)18. I wouldn't feel so sure.
I read in some TPP Environmental Chapter text (via New Zealand) this defining clause:
3. The Parties further recognise that it is inappropriate to establish or use their environmental laws or other measures in a manner which would constitute a disguised restriction on trade or investment between the Parties.
... and wonder who and how it would be decided what constitutes a disguised restriction on trade or investment?
I also read an analysis from the Center for International Environmental Law which is gloomy:
On October 5, 2015, the White House issued a statement by the President on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement claiming that the TPP includes the strongest commitments on labor and the environment of any trade agreement in history, and those commitments are enforceable, unlike in past agreements. This claim itself is unremarkable since proponents of almost every U.S. free trade agreement (FTA) formed in the past two decades have similarly promised meaningful and enforceable labor and environmental safeguards. Yet the reality of past U.S. FTA enforcement and the provisions included in the TPP suggest that this agreement, like those before it, will not guarantee environmental protection...
... So I have my doubts... To put it mildly.
The EU, btw, for similar reasons, will not pass the TTIP because France, as any EU country can, will veto it, M. Hollande has said. The mad in power in the UK might go for it, though.
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So rather rather fight the last battle, how about American workers fighting to support ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2016
#8
No, I consider the "Average American" to be like the average person everywhere, on any issue ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2016
#13
Yup. The only thing I'd add is that pro-TPP people will insist that everything good
DanTex
Jun 2016
#16
As with all these trade agreements it will help some people and harm others.
bklyncowgirl
Jun 2016
#15
I think it will help us solidify relationships with other countries, help many of those countries
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#6
I know. There were several posts yesterday about "secret document, negotiated by corporations". eom
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#12
It doesn't matter if it benefits us, we have to trade with 95% of the population
CK_John
Jun 2016
#14
The same Boeing that is going to build a plant in China to cost us more jobs.
floriduck
Jun 2016
#27
Reverse that question. Why would Boeing open a plant in China and use American labor?
floriduck
Jun 2016
#29
We'll agree to disagree. I'm not blaming Democrats. I'm blaming globalization.
floriduck
Jun 2016
#35
I bet they benefitted due to jobs in the USA, not overseas.Let's just disagree and leave it at that.
floriduck
Jun 2016
#38
It is by definition, these "deals" should be subject to the treaty clause.
TheKentuckian
Jun 2016
#44
could you explain to me how a trade deal nullifies the constitution?
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2016
#30
I suggest that folks view and listen to the President in his presser in Canada today. Learn.
Jitter65
Jun 2016
#47
You see less "Made in China" and more Made in ... "Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan," etc.
joshcryer
Jun 2016
#49
I won't speak to the efficacy or lack of efficacy of any trade agreement...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#53