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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: In 1980, did Ted Kennedy endorse Jimmy Carter? [View all]Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)29. I realize that there are two issues, HRC's campaign platform and the Democratic Party Platform.
Sanders has gotten some things he wanted in the draft of the Democratic Party Platform.
He's gotten no compromise from HRC regarding her campaign platform.
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He "snubbed" him. Not his finest hour. Ted Kennedy was an utter mess during that timeframe.
MADem
Jul 2016
#1
It's always strange that I never see such criticism directed against Bobby Kennedy's run in '68. N/T
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#9
Probably true; people's opinions on primary challenges are more influenced by the events surrounding
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#18
See post 52. LBJ's staff knew in Dec 1967 that he'd had enough--RFK didn't announce until Mar 68.
MADem
Jul 2016
#53
LBJ dropped out after RFK entered, and it was considered a surprise. One of the reasons why LBJ
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#50
LBJ had terrible heart disease. That may have been the icing on the cake, but he had
MADem
Jul 2016
#52
Do you have any evidence that RFK knew LBJ was going out? I've never seen anyone claim that, and it
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#54
DC is a small town and people have always talked. It wouldn't have mattered anyway. RFK
MADem
Jul 2016
#58
Your only evidence is "DC is a small town"? Even LBJ's chief of staff didn't know
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#60
It's not circles; the facts are that RFK was running against an incumbent when he entered the race
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#66
Even Johnson's chief of staff didn't know if Johnson was going to leave the race, and that was 2
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#73
My point, again, is that people TALK. His COS and everyone else in the room, perhaps "The Butler,"
MADem
Jul 2016
#75
Again, do you have any evidence of this? The people closest to him didn't know one way or another,
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#80
My "evidence" is my understanding of how things work in that town. I realize you want a
MADem
Jul 2016
#86
Do you know of any historian or person connected to either man that thought RFK knew?
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#89
More than one thing can be true--he certainly was "opposed" to LBJ (despised him, in fact) and
MADem
Jul 2016
#91
McCarthy's strong showing in New Hampshire had something to do with his dropping out nt
dflprincess
Jul 2016
#78
True, but I'm not sure what you're point is. It's OK to primary an incumbent if someone is already
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#81
Oh, I meant contemporary criticism from the "it's terrible to run against a sitting president"-crowd
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#84
Bobby was not running against a sitting party President. apples vs oranges nt
TeamPooka
Jul 2016
#105
One of his former aides wrote an entire book about it. The book took a small truth, that TK used
MADem
Jul 2016
#57
Edwards, from what I understand, has gone back into private law practice with his daughter.
MADem
Jul 2016
#72
I've been listening the audio version of Jimmy Carter's autobiography "A Full Life,"
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2016
#2
Ding, ding, ding! Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
BobbyDrake
Jul 2016
#55
yup, 3rd worst president ever. 1st was Hoover, 2nd was Bush Jr. - all Republicans
TeamPooka
Jul 2016
#106
kennedy's action in 1980 to me, forever tarnished the kennedy name. I never gave
beachbum bob
Jul 2016
#5
This is a very fair point you are making--it is sometimes a difficult one to make, because
MADem
Jul 2016
#74
While it certainly didn't help, and was disgraceful of Kennedy, it was the Iran Hostage
still_one
Jul 2016
#31
no question about that, reagan was a disaster for labor and most everything else
still_one
Jul 2016
#40
I realize that there are two issues, HRC's campaign platform and the Democratic Party Platform.
Eric J in MN
Jul 2016
#29
If HRC doesn't compromise, and Sanders doesn't endorse, and we get President Trump
Eric J in MN
Jul 2016
#35
I was unclear. I was referring to HRC's public position with regard to tuition
Eric J in MN
Jul 2016
#32
Cinton voters were SPECIFICALLY voting AGAINST Sanders policy and platform proposals.
MohRokTah
Jul 2016
#22
I agree that if Sanders doesn't endorse, fine for HRC to not schedule a Sanders convention speech NT
Eric J in MN
Jul 2016
#23
Kennedy ran that year because he considered Carter ineffectual and too conservative
andym
Jul 2016
#39
I worked on the Kennedy campaign and that go a a paid job on the Carter campaign
Onlooker
Jul 2016
#76
Those may have been the same two kids I saw tossed out of a rather exclusive private club
MADem
Jul 2016
#79