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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: In 1980, did Ted Kennedy endorse Jimmy Carter? [View all]840high
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He "snubbed" him. Not his finest hour. Ted Kennedy was an utter mess during that timeframe.
MADem
Jul 2016
#1
It's always strange that I never see such criticism directed against Bobby Kennedy's run in '68. N/T
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#9
Probably true; people's opinions on primary challenges are more influenced by the events surrounding
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#18
See post 52. LBJ's staff knew in Dec 1967 that he'd had enough--RFK didn't announce until Mar 68.
MADem
Jul 2016
#53
LBJ dropped out after RFK entered, and it was considered a surprise. One of the reasons why LBJ
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#50
LBJ had terrible heart disease. That may have been the icing on the cake, but he had
MADem
Jul 2016
#52
Do you have any evidence that RFK knew LBJ was going out? I've never seen anyone claim that, and it
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#54
DC is a small town and people have always talked. It wouldn't have mattered anyway. RFK
MADem
Jul 2016
#58
Your only evidence is "DC is a small town"? Even LBJ's chief of staff didn't know
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#60
It's not circles; the facts are that RFK was running against an incumbent when he entered the race
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#66
Even Johnson's chief of staff didn't know if Johnson was going to leave the race, and that was 2
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#73
My point, again, is that people TALK. His COS and everyone else in the room, perhaps "The Butler,"
MADem
Jul 2016
#75
Again, do you have any evidence of this? The people closest to him didn't know one way or another,
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#80
My "evidence" is my understanding of how things work in that town. I realize you want a
MADem
Jul 2016
#86
Do you know of any historian or person connected to either man that thought RFK knew?
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#89
More than one thing can be true--he certainly was "opposed" to LBJ (despised him, in fact) and
MADem
Jul 2016
#91
McCarthy's strong showing in New Hampshire had something to do with his dropping out nt
dflprincess
Jul 2016
#78
True, but I'm not sure what you're point is. It's OK to primary an incumbent if someone is already
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#81
Oh, I meant contemporary criticism from the "it's terrible to run against a sitting president"-crowd
Chathamization
Jul 2016
#84
Bobby was not running against a sitting party President. apples vs oranges nt
TeamPooka
Jul 2016
#105
One of his former aides wrote an entire book about it. The book took a small truth, that TK used
MADem
Jul 2016
#57
Edwards, from what I understand, has gone back into private law practice with his daughter.
MADem
Jul 2016
#72
I've been listening the audio version of Jimmy Carter's autobiography "A Full Life,"
Rhiannon12866
Jul 2016
#2
Ding, ding, ding! Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
BobbyDrake
Jul 2016
#55
yup, 3rd worst president ever. 1st was Hoover, 2nd was Bush Jr. - all Republicans
TeamPooka
Jul 2016
#106
kennedy's action in 1980 to me, forever tarnished the kennedy name. I never gave
beachbum bob
Jul 2016
#5
This is a very fair point you are making--it is sometimes a difficult one to make, because
MADem
Jul 2016
#74
While it certainly didn't help, and was disgraceful of Kennedy, it was the Iran Hostage
still_one
Jul 2016
#31
no question about that, reagan was a disaster for labor and most everything else
still_one
Jul 2016
#40
I realize that there are two issues, HRC's campaign platform and the Democratic Party Platform.
Eric J in MN
Jul 2016
#29
If HRC doesn't compromise, and Sanders doesn't endorse, and we get President Trump
Eric J in MN
Jul 2016
#35
I was unclear. I was referring to HRC's public position with regard to tuition
Eric J in MN
Jul 2016
#32
Cinton voters were SPECIFICALLY voting AGAINST Sanders policy and platform proposals.
MohRokTah
Jul 2016
#22
I agree that if Sanders doesn't endorse, fine for HRC to not schedule a Sanders convention speech NT
Eric J in MN
Jul 2016
#23
Kennedy ran that year because he considered Carter ineffectual and too conservative
andym
Jul 2016
#39
I worked on the Kennedy campaign and that go a a paid job on the Carter campaign
Onlooker
Jul 2016
#76
Those may have been the same two kids I saw tossed out of a rather exclusive private club
MADem
Jul 2016
#79