2016 Postmortem

farmboy

(296 posts) Thu Jul 21, 2016, 12:17 PM Jul 2016

I feel like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck, and all I can do is watch. [View all]

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Why is she making this vp choice so much harder than it has to be?

Vilsack and Kaine, plenty has been said about their negatives, not the least of which is a lack of charisma or inspiration.

Booker? The guy who wasted millions of dollars forcing charter schools as the fix for our education problems?

All the while it seems she has decided against the one candidate Joe Biden and Harry Reid both would have chosen and who would instantly ignite a fire of passion and energy into this campaign that could result in nothing short of a gigantic victory in November for the Democrats up and down the ticket. None other than Elizabeth Warren.

She is honest. She is passionate. She unquestionably CARES ABOUT ALL AMERICANS GETTING A FAIR SHAKE IN THIS COUNTRY'S ECONOMIC SYSTEM.

The intelligence quotient she and Hillary together would bring is probably higher than has ever been seen during a presidential campaign.

As women, they can't help but bring a new and different perspective to the highest offices of our land. New, forward, progressive for our future.

They balance each other in so many ways: personalities, experiences, constituencies, yet they seem symbiotic when together on a stage.

If the only negative for Hillary is that Warren angers Wall Street cronies, is that really a negative? That argument can be used so strongly to demonstrate she is different than her detractors expected.

Come on, Hillary. Surprise us in the best possible way. Inspire us. Lead us. Pick Elizabeth Warren.

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I feel like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck, and all I can do is watch. [View all] farmboy Jul 2016 OP

Your title is really unnecessary. auntpurl Jul 2016 #1

The title is the definition of constructive criticism. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #2

"I fell like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck, and all I can do is watch. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #6

Sure it can. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #8

"The title is the definition of constructive criticism." nt. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #118

I would say that headline, pangaia Jul 2016 #116

I fully agree with what you have outlined. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #119

No. It's destructive criticism. KMOD Jul 2016 #10

Just go and alert this one. Let's all stick our heads in the sand! eom Mika Jul 2016 #18

Excuse me? KMOD Jul 2016 #22

You are threading the needle IMHO to avoid a hide but...it still feels like criticism. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #52

Why have a discussion board them if all we are allowed to do is Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #72

There is plenty to discuss KMOD Jul 2016 #76

Hyperbole much? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #85

Nobody is demanding silence. KMOD Jul 2016 #98

Seems like some, if not many, in this discussion feel they know more about what makes.... George II Jul 2016 #120

It's just like the people who like to tell others KMOD Jul 2016 #128

Suppose, just suppose... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #148

Not sure if I have seen the vulgarities you speak of, but were you embarressed when those still_one Jul 2016 #99

And it'll be a "massive wreck" IF anyone other than Warren is chosen! George II Jul 2016 #132

almost like a biblical prophec........... should I start building an ark? What is a cubit by the still_one Jul 2016 #167

Ask Sheldon Cooper - he has a t-shirt with Rubic's Cubit on it. George II Jul 2016 #183

Of course I did Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #189

good still_one Jul 2016 #214

I haven't seen a single post calling Jill Stein a whore, and if there are any, I'm sure.... George II Jul 2016 #145

Our way or the highway LakeArenal Jul 2016 #152

I wish I still felt we are civil I am loosing faith Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Jul 2016 #212

Did you alert on the Stein is a whore post- I would and also contact the admins of it stood. bettyellen Jul 2016 #162

Thank you BettyYellen.... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #184

Hope you feel better! If you find the thread (did you post in it?) shoot me a link in PM. bettyellen Jul 2016 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #204

LOL!!! zappaman Jul 2016 #178

Exactly. okasha Jul 2016 #138

Agreed! NWCorona Jul 2016 #79

Funny how that is. In the past VP choice was discussed. newthinking Jul 2016 #95

This ^^ Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #191

This is a Democratic site and it is an election year, Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #223

its a WAKE UP CALL! we are running agains a 2 year old eddie haskill and the GNEWZ LOVES SQUIRLZ! pansypoo53219 Jul 2016 #86

They WILL GORE HER! don't give them an EXCUSE. bulloney Jul 2016 #143

Destructive how? What does it destroy? pangaia Jul 2016 #113

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #141

His opinion is that it will be a "massive wreck" KMOD Jul 2016 #156

More like DEstructive criticism. George II Jul 2016 #34

No, it's the definition of concern trolling. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2016 #80

It is the opposite of constructive Democat Jul 2016 #107

It is constructive criticism in the form of a last minute wake up call before the wreck happens. farmboy Jul 2016 #14

A more apt title may have been KMOD Jul 2016 #49

I'll stick with my initial title, thanks. farmboy Jul 2016 #102

I agree with your preference for Elizabeth Warren Haveadream Jul 2016 #185

Hey, Farmboy turbinetree Jul 2016 #73

Amen. rury Jul 2016 #88

Thanks for going first... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #36

Rachel Maddow said there are 3 choices to make heresAthingdotcom Jul 2016 #135

I like Rachel Maddow, but red dog 1 Jul 2016 #165

Well Rachel does have a doctorate in politics from Oxford annavictorious Jul 2016 #207

"even if she is a girl"? red dog 1 Jul 2016 #208

"Why is she making this vp choice so much harder than it has to be? " NCTraveler Jul 2016 #3

Yeah, me neither bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #21

Exactly. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #26

It's a process that has been exploited by the media... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #47

"I never understood the thought that there is only one person for a job. " ToxMarz Jul 2016 #63

I don't think only Warren would be excellent as Hillary's vp. But she would be excellent and better farmboy Jul 2016 #126

For you she would be a better pick, but Hillary is the nominee and it is for her to decide which ToxMarz Jul 2016 #155

How Do We Know a Decision Isn't ALREADY Made...? The_Counsel Jul 2016 #93

I don't know if a decision has already been made. I never made such a point. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #94

You Didn't. I was Just Addressing the "Making the Decision Difficult" Question. The_Counsel Jul 2016 #125

I imagine it's a very extensive process we see little into. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #129

+1 The_Counsel Jul 2016 #154

Your concern is overstated and probably unnecessary. MineralMan Jul 2016 #4

Your title is against the TOS leftofcool Jul 2016 #5

Which part? nt Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #9

In what way? Please explain. farmboy Jul 2016 #12

Then alert on it ibegurpard Jul 2016 #30

This is NOT the Hillary group greiner3 Jul 2016 #68

Actually, it is. KMOD Jul 2016 #78

And trying to get Hillary elected is exactly what I'm doing. My advice is as valid as any other. farmboy Jul 2016 #97

You are not Hillary's advisor. KMOD Jul 2016 #103

Never claimed to be. I post my opinion because it matters as much as yours or the next. farmboy Jul 2016 #123

lol KMOD Jul 2016 #130

Oh yes it is. auntpurl Jul 2016 #87

Actually, I believe it is. leftofcool Jul 2016 #147

I have to trust they are doing their research and will have too reasons for the pick bullimiami Jul 2016 #7

They need someone with appeal in a big swing state speaktruthtopower Jul 2016 #11

Sorry you have bought into the overly dramatic Sheepshank Jul 2016 #13

She has to win the presidency before any vp governing help will be necessary; thus, my concerns. farmboy Jul 2016 #20

The votes Clinton needs are in the center, not the liberal-left. brooklynite Jul 2016 #15

Exactly right rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #17

This is the truth. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #19

And what Warren brings is honesty, care and passion for EVERYONE in ALL states. No geo limits. farmboy Jul 2016 #27

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #39

78 to 3 underpants Jul 2016 #54

Just the opposite LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #121

This ^^^ hueymahl Jul 2016 #133

And I think she is waffling because she really really really wanted to go to the right on her pick LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #150

Where is there any waffling? annavictorious Jul 2016 #210

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #171

Your concern is duly recorded rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #16

Your concern concerning this concern is concerning. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #23

That is none of your concern rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #104

Anyone watched Veep? That's about how much power Clinton's VP will have. RAFisher Jul 2016 #24

This is of course your opinion and based on no evidence at all. brooklynite Jul 2016 #28

"A mother had two sons. iandhr Jul 2016 #45

Concerning!!!111 zappaman Jul 2016 #25

but, but, KMOD Jul 2016 #29

I really hope he is panicking hard. Otherwise we are sure to lose. Squinch Jul 2016 #31

No, she isn't. ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #32

There will be no train wreck, except possibly in your perception. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #33

How do we, or you, know that Biden and Reid would have chosen Warren? And what is... George II Jul 2016 #35

The timing is actually great. Let the Republicans have their Titanic. Immediately after it, steal Squinch Jul 2016 #82

she's gonna pick sweetapogee Jul 2016 #37

Why should anyone care? jamese777 Jul 2016 #38

Are you a professional in the area of politics? La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #40

Huh? Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #41

Has anyone considered Elizabeth Warren doesn't want the job? iandhr Jul 2016 #42

She definitely wants the job......she accepted being vetted markj757 Jul 2016 #142

We're talking Kaine, not Palin. Orsino Jul 2016 #43

Right? The melodrama in the OP is over the top. VP picks just don't make that big of a difference. stevenleser Jul 2016 #56

I have seen other back and forth about vp picks in past elections. Why can't it be discussed? newthinking Jul 2016 #90

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #173

Who is saying it can't be discussed? The point is the OP is melodrama not discussion. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #213

The entire site is melodrama at the moment. So we produce more melodrama newthinking Jul 2016 #219

I'm reading much thoughtful discussion that my post has generated. Sorry, your mind reading is wrong farmboy Jul 2016 #221

And despite her incompetence... Blanks Jul 2016 #101

I suspect the OP supported someone else in the primaries RonniePudding Jul 2016 #179

I trust Team Clinton to do their due diligence. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #44

"I feel like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck" LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #46

Maybe she's just been waiting for the OP to state his preference before she makes her choice. auntpurl Jul 2016 #89

spelling: 'Harry Reid.' Otherwise, I agree. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #48

Thanks for the catch. farmboy Jul 2016 #105

More Concern Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #50

How do you know that she isn't just leading or constructively miss-leading the story liberal N proud Jul 2016 #51

Why would she pick Visack or Kaine? ananda Jul 2016 #53

In YOUR opinion MoonRiver Jul 2016 #65

That is pretty much implied hueymahl Jul 2016 #134

sometimes it seems "opinions" are becoming against TOS newthinking Jul 2016 #220

Hillary said early on that she was going to make sure her choice would ensure a win. Native Jul 2016 #55

I think she has already decided, but now during the GOP's party is not the time to announce it. patricia92243 Jul 2016 #57

Kaine is clearly the best pick ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #58

Concern trolling at its finest ... SFnomad Jul 2016 #59

Busted! Hahaha! Her Sister Jul 2016 #71

Don't like my opinions or how I say them, too bad. Just as viable than opinions of yours. farmboy Jul 2016 #109

Yes, you are a consistent concerner! Her Sister Jul 2016 #127

Thanks for the extra publicity of my opinions on this vp matter. Very important to me. farmboy Jul 2016 #111

It's a hard decision. If you just pick someone for excitement, you might end up with Palin. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #60

You seem to want the VP pick to be recess happy dance play time. I think this post is a "wreck". RBInMaine Jul 2016 #61

How many statements has Hillary Clinton herself issued about her VP choice? csziggy Jul 2016 #62

Your concern is noted.. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #64

Very respectful of you. NT hueymahl Jul 2016 #136

Lol, that was the revised edition. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #160

I asked the two strongest Bernie supporters I know and neither of them are enthused pnwmom Jul 2016 #66

I've talked to BS supporters who are still angry at EW for not vocally supporting him in primary. farmboy Jul 2016 #114

I like EW a lot, too, so I was kind of surprised that these Bernie people didn't agree with me. pnwmom Jul 2016 #117

Like most people know Kaine or Vilsack? Your 2 person poll doesn't fully reflect our party thinking markj757 Jul 2016 #151

The woman is smart. Her advisers are smart. Because of that, whoever she picks will be fine with me. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #67

I have my preference for a VP but... 40RatRod Jul 2016 #69

Yawn! Hillary's "worst" choice is 100 times better than Dumpster's best possible choice. 4lbs Jul 2016 #70

I trust the nominee to pick her running mate! Her Sister Jul 2016 #74

Trust, but don't trust? PdxSean Jul 2016 #75

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #77

Sorry to prove your capability to point out trolls as very broken and misguided. farmboy Jul 2016 #96

Creative ways to bash Clinton Democat Jul 2016 #110

Your concern is dul---oh, crap 200 people already beat me to it. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #81

Your deep concern is deeply noted Hekate Jul 2016 #83

Elizabeth Warren JGug1 Jul 2016 #84

Our personal worries are very real to us bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #91

I think she will announce it tonight tavernier Jul 2016 #92

if not warren then i dont know retrowire Jul 2016 #100

There's always your moderating job at JPR KMOD Jul 2016 #106

Treading a mite close to to the personal attack line, aren't we? JudyM Jul 2016 #211

How is that a personal attack? nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #224

Res ipsa loquitur. Exclusionary putdown, as if Retrowire doesn't have just as much right to be here JudyM Jul 2016 #225

No one has "the right" to be here. We are here at admin's pleasure. msanthrope Jul 2016 #226

It was exclusionary shaming aimed personally at retrowire. Whatever else you throw, at least JudyM Jul 2016 #227

Okay......let me see if I have this correctly. You think that pointing msanthrope Jul 2016 #228

It's not about the other site, msanthrope. It's about slamming retrowire. That's all, let's let it JudyM Jul 2016 #229

Have you considered that moderating a site that allows the c-word to be used to describe women msanthrope Jul 2016 #230

She won't pick Warren because Chakaconcarne Jul 2016 #108

Partially agree and partially disagree. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #122

I don't like Booker.... vi5 Jul 2016 #112

You are condemned to the 2-party system..... afertal Jul 2016 #115

The negative for Warren is that we need her in the Senate. The Green Manalishi Jul 2016 #124

The title and the thread tiredtoo Jul 2016 #131

All you can do is watch? classof56 Jul 2016 #137

Although I disagree with the massive wreck line, I'm definitely in the Warren as VP pick camp and markj757 Jul 2016 #139

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #176

Unfortunately I have to say....I'm not holding my breath.... markj757 Jul 2016 #201

Never a good idea to go with your "feelings" frazzled Jul 2016 #140

Plenty of people use their feelings better than did W. Emotions and logic can coexist and do for me. farmboy Jul 2016 #170

But your post was about how you felt frazzled Jul 2016 #174

I don't think it will be a huge mistake because I don't agree, it will be a mistake because farmboy Jul 2016 #190

Don't think that everyone agrees with you frazzled Jul 2016 #200

we can still discuss how marvelous and great hillary clinton is captainarizona Jul 2016 #144

Hillary Clinton is the best presidential candidate, along with Pres Obama, in my lifetime. farmboy Jul 2016 #166

It looks as though these are Bill Clinton's choices. ananda Jul 2016 #146

Please tell me you didn't just go there. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #164

Hillary was at Bill's side when he was President. Why would it be so bad "to go there" if Hillary Seeinghope Jul 2016 #192

The post intimates that she, a WOMAN,,, sheshe2 Jul 2016 #193

Being overly defensive shows weakness. Seeinghope Jul 2016 #195

So very sorry you see it that way. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #196

Being offended by some snide insinuation is walking right into their little insulting small minded Seeinghope Jul 2016 #199

Hillary was at his side as First Lady... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #205

You obviously do not understand my posts. Seeinghope Jul 2016 #216

Trust me. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #217

Hillary will make her own choice, I have no doubt. Whether that choice takes us forward or back farmboy Jul 2016 #168

LOL!!!!!! " Following his wishes"? Hillary Clinton!!!!!! That be Melania Trump. Hillary Clinton Seeinghope Jul 2016 #197

Are you kidding? wisteria Jul 2016 #149

The Vegas oddsmakers ymetca Jul 2016 #153

So who should make the wise choice for her? displacedtexan Jul 2016 #157

I have no idea who you would choose, so I have no opinion about your decision making, woman or not. farmboy Jul 2016 #161

Yes sir! Marty 65 Jul 2016 #158

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #180

So the concern is limited to flash, style, and appearance rather than policy? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #159

Substand, as you noted is the main ingredient. They all have that. Passion and inspiration separates farmboy Jul 2016 #163

Passion and inspiration are subjective and interpretive subject to the whimsy of daily emotion. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #169

Joe Biden and Harry Reid? Android3.14 Jul 2016 #172

If she picks Warren, we lose a Senate seat ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author johara Jul 2016 #209

We said the same thing about Scott Clown ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #218

This is just an opinion RonniePudding Jul 2016 #177

If we don't quit we will probably cause a trainwreck...... heaven05 Jul 2016 #181

Your concern is BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #182

The VP choice doesn't really make that much difference. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #187

K&R red dog 1 Jul 2016 #188

Oh, good grief! NurseJackie Jul 2016 #194

I do hope you will actively GOTV no matter who she choses. riversedge Jul 2016 #202

this is going to be going on from now until November treestar Jul 2016 #203

Your concern is noted, but not in a shitty condescending way. MerryBlooms Jul 2016 #206

No wreck RoadRunner Jul 2016 #215

Like a Tesla w/ broken self-steering mechanics. "Grab the wheel, Hillary! Go left! Just turn left! farmboy Jul 2016 #222

tim kaine lacks charisma????....is a foolish staement to make beachbum bob Jul 2016 #231