2016 Postmortem

George II

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120. Seems like some, if not many, in this discussion feel they know more about what makes....

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:39 PM

Jul 2016

....a Vice President than Hillary Clinton. That is preposterous.

Whoever the choice is, it will be a well thought out and intelligent choice, and will complement her candidacy, policies, and Presidency.

Has anyone seen what has been going on in Cleveland the last three nights?

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I feel like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck, and all I can do is watch. [View all] farmboy Jul 2016 OP

Your title is really unnecessary. auntpurl Jul 2016 #1

The title is the definition of constructive criticism. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #2

"I fell like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck, and all I can do is watch. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #6

Sure it can. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #8

"The title is the definition of constructive criticism." nt. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #118

I would say that headline, pangaia Jul 2016 #116

I fully agree with what you have outlined. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #119

No. It's destructive criticism. KMOD Jul 2016 #10

Just go and alert this one. Let's all stick our heads in the sand! eom Mika Jul 2016 #18

Excuse me? KMOD Jul 2016 #22

You are threading the needle IMHO to avoid a hide but...it still feels like criticism. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #52

Why have a discussion board them if all we are allowed to do is Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #72

There is plenty to discuss KMOD Jul 2016 #76

Hyperbole much? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #85

Nobody is demanding silence. KMOD Jul 2016 #98

Seems like some, if not many, in this discussion feel they know more about what makes.... George II Jul 2016 #120

It's just like the people who like to tell others KMOD Jul 2016 #128

Suppose, just suppose... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #148

Not sure if I have seen the vulgarities you speak of, but were you embarressed when those still_one Jul 2016 #99

And it'll be a "massive wreck" IF anyone other than Warren is chosen! George II Jul 2016 #132

almost like a biblical prophec........... should I start building an ark? What is a cubit by the still_one Jul 2016 #167

Ask Sheldon Cooper - he has a t-shirt with Rubic's Cubit on it. George II Jul 2016 #183

Of course I did Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #189

good still_one Jul 2016 #214

I haven't seen a single post calling Jill Stein a whore, and if there are any, I'm sure.... George II Jul 2016 #145

Our way or the highway LakeArenal Jul 2016 #152

I wish I still felt we are civil I am loosing faith Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Jul 2016 #212

Did you alert on the Stein is a whore post- I would and also contact the admins of it stood. bettyellen Jul 2016 #162

Thank you BettyYellen.... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #184

Hope you feel better! If you find the thread (did you post in it?) shoot me a link in PM. bettyellen Jul 2016 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #204

LOL!!! zappaman Jul 2016 #178

Exactly. okasha Jul 2016 #138

Agreed! NWCorona Jul 2016 #79

Funny how that is. In the past VP choice was discussed. newthinking Jul 2016 #95

This ^^ Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #191

This is a Democratic site and it is an election year, Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #223

its a WAKE UP CALL! we are running agains a 2 year old eddie haskill and the GNEWZ LOVES SQUIRLZ! pansypoo53219 Jul 2016 #86

They WILL GORE HER! don't give them an EXCUSE. bulloney Jul 2016 #143

Destructive how? What does it destroy? pangaia Jul 2016 #113

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #141

His opinion is that it will be a "massive wreck" KMOD Jul 2016 #156

More like DEstructive criticism. George II Jul 2016 #34

No, it's the definition of concern trolling. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2016 #80

It is the opposite of constructive Democat Jul 2016 #107

It is constructive criticism in the form of a last minute wake up call before the wreck happens. farmboy Jul 2016 #14

A more apt title may have been KMOD Jul 2016 #49

I'll stick with my initial title, thanks. farmboy Jul 2016 #102

I agree with your preference for Elizabeth Warren Haveadream Jul 2016 #185

Hey, Farmboy turbinetree Jul 2016 #73

Amen. rury Jul 2016 #88

Thanks for going first... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #36

Rachel Maddow said there are 3 choices to make heresAthingdotcom Jul 2016 #135

I like Rachel Maddow, but red dog 1 Jul 2016 #165

Well Rachel does have a doctorate in politics from Oxford annavictorious Jul 2016 #207

"even if she is a girl"? red dog 1 Jul 2016 #208

"Why is she making this vp choice so much harder than it has to be? " NCTraveler Jul 2016 #3

Yeah, me neither bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #21

Exactly. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #26

It's a process that has been exploited by the media... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #47

"I never understood the thought that there is only one person for a job. " ToxMarz Jul 2016 #63

I don't think only Warren would be excellent as Hillary's vp. But she would be excellent and better farmboy Jul 2016 #126

For you she would be a better pick, but Hillary is the nominee and it is for her to decide which ToxMarz Jul 2016 #155

How Do We Know a Decision Isn't ALREADY Made...? The_Counsel Jul 2016 #93

I don't know if a decision has already been made. I never made such a point. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #94

You Didn't. I was Just Addressing the "Making the Decision Difficult" Question. The_Counsel Jul 2016 #125

I imagine it's a very extensive process we see little into. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #129

+1 The_Counsel Jul 2016 #154

Your concern is overstated and probably unnecessary. MineralMan Jul 2016 #4

Your title is against the TOS leftofcool Jul 2016 #5

Which part? nt Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #9

In what way? Please explain. farmboy Jul 2016 #12

Then alert on it ibegurpard Jul 2016 #30

This is NOT the Hillary group greiner3 Jul 2016 #68

Actually, it is. KMOD Jul 2016 #78

And trying to get Hillary elected is exactly what I'm doing. My advice is as valid as any other. farmboy Jul 2016 #97

You are not Hillary's advisor. KMOD Jul 2016 #103

Never claimed to be. I post my opinion because it matters as much as yours or the next. farmboy Jul 2016 #123

lol KMOD Jul 2016 #130

Oh yes it is. auntpurl Jul 2016 #87

Actually, I believe it is. leftofcool Jul 2016 #147

I have to trust they are doing their research and will have too reasons for the pick bullimiami Jul 2016 #7

They need someone with appeal in a big swing state speaktruthtopower Jul 2016 #11

Sorry you have bought into the overly dramatic Sheepshank Jul 2016 #13

She has to win the presidency before any vp governing help will be necessary; thus, my concerns. farmboy Jul 2016 #20

The votes Clinton needs are in the center, not the liberal-left. brooklynite Jul 2016 #15

Exactly right rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #17

This is the truth. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #19

And what Warren brings is honesty, care and passion for EVERYONE in ALL states. No geo limits. farmboy Jul 2016 #27

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #39

78 to 3 underpants Jul 2016 #54

Just the opposite LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #121

This ^^^ hueymahl Jul 2016 #133

And I think she is waffling because she really really really wanted to go to the right on her pick LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #150

Where is there any waffling? annavictorious Jul 2016 #210

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #171

Your concern is duly recorded rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #16

Your concern concerning this concern is concerning. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #23

That is none of your concern rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #104

Anyone watched Veep? That's about how much power Clinton's VP will have. RAFisher Jul 2016 #24

This is of course your opinion and based on no evidence at all. brooklynite Jul 2016 #28

"A mother had two sons. iandhr Jul 2016 #45

Concerning!!!111 zappaman Jul 2016 #25

but, but, KMOD Jul 2016 #29

I really hope he is panicking hard. Otherwise we are sure to lose. Squinch Jul 2016 #31

No, she isn't. ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #32

There will be no train wreck, except possibly in your perception. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #33

How do we, or you, know that Biden and Reid would have chosen Warren? And what is... George II Jul 2016 #35

The timing is actually great. Let the Republicans have their Titanic. Immediately after it, steal Squinch Jul 2016 #82

she's gonna pick sweetapogee Jul 2016 #37

Why should anyone care? jamese777 Jul 2016 #38

Are you a professional in the area of politics? La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #40

Huh? Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #41

Has anyone considered Elizabeth Warren doesn't want the job? iandhr Jul 2016 #42

She definitely wants the job......she accepted being vetted markj757 Jul 2016 #142

We're talking Kaine, not Palin. Orsino Jul 2016 #43

Right? The melodrama in the OP is over the top. VP picks just don't make that big of a difference. stevenleser Jul 2016 #56

I have seen other back and forth about vp picks in past elections. Why can't it be discussed? newthinking Jul 2016 #90

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #173

Who is saying it can't be discussed? The point is the OP is melodrama not discussion. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #213

The entire site is melodrama at the moment. So we produce more melodrama newthinking Jul 2016 #219

I'm reading much thoughtful discussion that my post has generated. Sorry, your mind reading is wrong farmboy Jul 2016 #221

And despite her incompetence... Blanks Jul 2016 #101

I suspect the OP supported someone else in the primaries RonniePudding Jul 2016 #179

I trust Team Clinton to do their due diligence. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #44

"I feel like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck" LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #46

Maybe she's just been waiting for the OP to state his preference before she makes her choice. auntpurl Jul 2016 #89

spelling: 'Harry Reid.' Otherwise, I agree. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #48

Thanks for the catch. farmboy Jul 2016 #105

More Concern Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #50

How do you know that she isn't just leading or constructively miss-leading the story liberal N proud Jul 2016 #51

Why would she pick Visack or Kaine? ananda Jul 2016 #53

In YOUR opinion MoonRiver Jul 2016 #65

That is pretty much implied hueymahl Jul 2016 #134

sometimes it seems "opinions" are becoming against TOS newthinking Jul 2016 #220

Hillary said early on that she was going to make sure her choice would ensure a win. Native Jul 2016 #55

I think she has already decided, but now during the GOP's party is not the time to announce it. patricia92243 Jul 2016 #57

Kaine is clearly the best pick ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #58

Concern trolling at its finest ... SFnomad Jul 2016 #59

Busted! Hahaha! Her Sister Jul 2016 #71

Don't like my opinions or how I say them, too bad. Just as viable than opinions of yours. farmboy Jul 2016 #109

Yes, you are a consistent concerner! Her Sister Jul 2016 #127

Thanks for the extra publicity of my opinions on this vp matter. Very important to me. farmboy Jul 2016 #111

It's a hard decision. If you just pick someone for excitement, you might end up with Palin. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #60

You seem to want the VP pick to be recess happy dance play time. I think this post is a "wreck". RBInMaine Jul 2016 #61

How many statements has Hillary Clinton herself issued about her VP choice? csziggy Jul 2016 #62

Your concern is noted.. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #64

Very respectful of you. NT hueymahl Jul 2016 #136

Lol, that was the revised edition. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #160

I asked the two strongest Bernie supporters I know and neither of them are enthused pnwmom Jul 2016 #66

I've talked to BS supporters who are still angry at EW for not vocally supporting him in primary. farmboy Jul 2016 #114

I like EW a lot, too, so I was kind of surprised that these Bernie people didn't agree with me. pnwmom Jul 2016 #117

Like most people know Kaine or Vilsack? Your 2 person poll doesn't fully reflect our party thinking markj757 Jul 2016 #151

The woman is smart. Her advisers are smart. Because of that, whoever she picks will be fine with me. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #67

I have my preference for a VP but... 40RatRod Jul 2016 #69

Yawn! Hillary's "worst" choice is 100 times better than Dumpster's best possible choice. 4lbs Jul 2016 #70

I trust the nominee to pick her running mate! Her Sister Jul 2016 #74

Trust, but don't trust? PdxSean Jul 2016 #75

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #77

Sorry to prove your capability to point out trolls as very broken and misguided. farmboy Jul 2016 #96

Creative ways to bash Clinton Democat Jul 2016 #110

Your concern is dul---oh, crap 200 people already beat me to it. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #81

Your deep concern is deeply noted Hekate Jul 2016 #83

Elizabeth Warren JGug1 Jul 2016 #84

Our personal worries are very real to us bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #91

I think she will announce it tonight tavernier Jul 2016 #92

if not warren then i dont know retrowire Jul 2016 #100

There's always your moderating job at JPR KMOD Jul 2016 #106

Treading a mite close to to the personal attack line, aren't we? JudyM Jul 2016 #211

How is that a personal attack? nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #224

Res ipsa loquitur. Exclusionary putdown, as if Retrowire doesn't have just as much right to be here JudyM Jul 2016 #225

No one has "the right" to be here. We are here at admin's pleasure. msanthrope Jul 2016 #226

It was exclusionary shaming aimed personally at retrowire. Whatever else you throw, at least JudyM Jul 2016 #227

Okay......let me see if I have this correctly. You think that pointing msanthrope Jul 2016 #228

It's not about the other site, msanthrope. It's about slamming retrowire. That's all, let's let it JudyM Jul 2016 #229

Have you considered that moderating a site that allows the c-word to be used to describe women msanthrope Jul 2016 #230

She won't pick Warren because Chakaconcarne Jul 2016 #108

Partially agree and partially disagree. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #122

I don't like Booker.... vi5 Jul 2016 #112

You are condemned to the 2-party system..... afertal Jul 2016 #115

The negative for Warren is that we need her in the Senate. The Green Manalishi Jul 2016 #124

The title and the thread tiredtoo Jul 2016 #131

All you can do is watch? classof56 Jul 2016 #137

Although I disagree with the massive wreck line, I'm definitely in the Warren as VP pick camp and markj757 Jul 2016 #139

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #176

Unfortunately I have to say....I'm not holding my breath.... markj757 Jul 2016 #201

Never a good idea to go with your "feelings" frazzled Jul 2016 #140

Plenty of people use their feelings better than did W. Emotions and logic can coexist and do for me. farmboy Jul 2016 #170

But your post was about how you felt frazzled Jul 2016 #174

I don't think it will be a huge mistake because I don't agree, it will be a mistake because farmboy Jul 2016 #190

Don't think that everyone agrees with you frazzled Jul 2016 #200

we can still discuss how marvelous and great hillary clinton is captainarizona Jul 2016 #144

Hillary Clinton is the best presidential candidate, along with Pres Obama, in my lifetime. farmboy Jul 2016 #166

It looks as though these are Bill Clinton's choices. ananda Jul 2016 #146

Please tell me you didn't just go there. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #164

Hillary was at Bill's side when he was President. Why would it be so bad "to go there" if Hillary Seeinghope Jul 2016 #192

The post intimates that she, a WOMAN,,, sheshe2 Jul 2016 #193

Being overly defensive shows weakness. Seeinghope Jul 2016 #195

So very sorry you see it that way. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #196

Being offended by some snide insinuation is walking right into their little insulting small minded Seeinghope Jul 2016 #199

Hillary was at his side as First Lady... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #205

You obviously do not understand my posts. Seeinghope Jul 2016 #216

Trust me. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #217

Hillary will make her own choice, I have no doubt. Whether that choice takes us forward or back farmboy Jul 2016 #168

LOL!!!!!! " Following his wishes"? Hillary Clinton!!!!!! That be Melania Trump. Hillary Clinton Seeinghope Jul 2016 #197

Are you kidding? wisteria Jul 2016 #149

The Vegas oddsmakers ymetca Jul 2016 #153

So who should make the wise choice for her? displacedtexan Jul 2016 #157

I have no idea who you would choose, so I have no opinion about your decision making, woman or not. farmboy Jul 2016 #161

Yes sir! Marty 65 Jul 2016 #158

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #180

So the concern is limited to flash, style, and appearance rather than policy? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #159

Substand, as you noted is the main ingredient. They all have that. Passion and inspiration separates farmboy Jul 2016 #163

Passion and inspiration are subjective and interpretive subject to the whimsy of daily emotion. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #169

Joe Biden and Harry Reid? Android3.14 Jul 2016 #172

If she picks Warren, we lose a Senate seat ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author johara Jul 2016 #209

We said the same thing about Scott Clown ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #218

This is just an opinion RonniePudding Jul 2016 #177

If we don't quit we will probably cause a trainwreck...... heaven05 Jul 2016 #181

Your concern is BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #182

The VP choice doesn't really make that much difference. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #187

K&R red dog 1 Jul 2016 #188

Oh, good grief! NurseJackie Jul 2016 #194

I do hope you will actively GOTV no matter who she choses. riversedge Jul 2016 #202

this is going to be going on from now until November treestar Jul 2016 #203

Your concern is noted, but not in a shitty condescending way. MerryBlooms Jul 2016 #206

No wreck RoadRunner Jul 2016 #215

Like a Tesla w/ broken self-steering mechanics. "Grab the wheel, Hillary! Go left! Just turn left! farmboy Jul 2016 #222

tim kaine lacks charisma????....is a foolish staement to make beachbum bob Jul 2016 #231