2016 Postmortem

Bluenorthwest

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34. NY beat out Texas and Mississipppi for turnout this year, still very low....

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:40 PM

Jul 2016

NYC precinct average in the Primary Democratic turnout 12%. Oregon does not want to be New York or Mississippi. We like our voters voting. And face it, in a country where most eligible voters do not even bother to vote and many never register the key problem we face is voter apathy, not ultra motivated super committed cross Party rarities. Any such rarities that exist would be made swiftly moot by making more Democrats out of all those voters we leave on the table every cycle. NY with high Democratic turnout would be far beyond rat fuckability. But that's not where the focus is. It should be.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] geek tragedy Jul 2016 OP

Agreed rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #1

And forget this same day primary registration crap. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #3

+1 COLGATE4 Jul 2016 #18

+1 RonniePudding Jul 2016 #2

+ A FREAKING BAZILLION! Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #4

Absolutely agree...and hopefully the DNC is paying close attention to what happens eastwestdem Jul 2016 #5

Exactly. All this talk about revising the process. F*ck that. They need to lock this s*it down. timlot Jul 2016 #6

Embarrassing is an understatement lesroseymour Jul 2016 #79

I didn't think a person could be a delegate unless they were registered as a Democrat? still_one Jul 2016 #7

I think they should be a registered Democrat for at least 2 years before they're geek tragedy Jul 2016 #9

I disagree, if only because that would exclude teenage adults. David__77 Jul 2016 #12

teenage delegates are a cute genre of story for convention time but not really geek tragedy Jul 2016 #13

Lots of States have no Party registration at all. We have a closed and clean Primary which Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #14

New York does something like that I believe, though I think it is based on the last election still_one Jul 2016 #32

Well, I guess there will be no delegates from Michigan anymore, John Poet Jul 2016 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #66

They're just pretty unhappy with the content of the email leaks, John Poet Jul 2016 #67

I could not agree more LisaM Jul 2016 #8

If a state doesn't have party registration, how do you close the primary? David__77 Jul 2016 #10

have it be a condition to vote in a primary that you will vote for that party's nominee geek tragedy Jul 2016 #15

I think it's illegal to tell people that their right to vote hinges on some other agreement. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #20

if they can require party registration to vote in a primary geek tragedy Jul 2016 #22

Party registration is different from loyalty oaths, pledges and poll tests. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #23

I live in NY. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #24

NY beat out Texas and Mississipppi for turnout this year, still very low.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #34

Oregon does it right, and it has closed primaries. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #37

that is flat out false dsc Jul 2016 #71

I don't imagine that being adopted. David__77 Jul 2016 #21

Yup. I don't think we need to repeat this experiment with an indy candidate. DanTex Jul 2016 #11

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2016 #16

You're damn right. auntpurl Jul 2016 #17

I agree. fun n serious Jul 2016 #19

in favor of closed primaries tkauf0310 Jul 2016 #25

Can't be done. The individual states - not the political parties - stopbush Jul 2016 #26

I know, but this should put the kibosh on efforts on the state geek tragedy Jul 2016 #30

K&R! stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #27

I live in an open primary state and see no problems. B Calm Jul 2016 #28

If parties want to make their own rules for primaries, fine-if they pay the costs of their primaries merrily Jul 2016 #29

Exactly! Primary elections are paid for by tax payers, not political parties! B Calm Jul 2016 #35

Yes. In my state (MA), over half the voters register indie. merrily Jul 2016 #44

With close to 50% of registered voters feeling their party no longer represent them, B Calm Jul 2016 #47

I could be wrong, but I don't think so many in Massachusetts register indie merrily Jul 2016 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #31

You must be a registered Democrat in order to be a delegate. Tatiana Jul 2016 #33

Well that shot the OP's argument all to hell! B Calm Jul 2016 #36

I guess they have to have even more restrictions on delegate eligibility. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #38

Then tighten up the requirements for being a delegate. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #42

This is left up to the local party officials. It is a sound policy. Tatiana Jul 2016 #46

Point taken. "However, in states where the party may struggle, such as Texas, Indiana, Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #54

Can I get an enormous "AMEN" to that? Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #39

Democracy Lazy Daisy Jul 2016 #40

Open primaries can encourage saboteurs MichMan Jul 2016 #41

This can't be done runaway hero Jul 2016 #43

We do it in New York and it's constitutional nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #45

New York is not fully closed runaway hero Jul 2016 #51

If you're so eager to destroy the Democratic Party, do exactly that. DemocraticWing Jul 2016 #48

There's a beauty in the uniqueness of people. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #83

SO AGREE!!! SunSeeker Jul 2016 #49

Hear, hear. Hekate Jul 2016 #52

I couldn't agree more. If I was against open primaries (and Caucuses) before, today's events have lunamagica Jul 2016 #53

Hear, here,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2016 #56

If you're into limiting voting rights liberalnarb Jul 2016 #55

Everybody does not have a right to vote in the primaries Cryptoad Jul 2016 #57

I'm for semi closed primaries. liberalnarb Jul 2016 #58

Not possible. longship Jul 2016 #59

it was more than a few who booed Sanders today. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #60

Or something. longship Jul 2016 #61

Voter oppression? Democratic value? That many Greens, party'd be doing better. And Martin O'Malley? George Eliot Jul 2016 #62

I would be okay with same day registration. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #63

This doesn't exclude saboteurs from going in anyway. mwooldri Jul 2016 #64

Primaries in general seem to be better and more Democratic than caucuses. 4lbs Jul 2016 #68

Eliminating open primaries is pointless because Sivart Jul 2016 #69

It's hard to know what would have been "best" without knowing the outcome. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #70

Delegates are elected at the state conventions Omaha Steve Jul 2016 #72

then they need to restrict delegate privileges to people who've been in the party geek tragedy Jul 2016 #73

Disagree! Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #74

Actually, I'd be happier to get rid of superdeligates and caucuses. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #75

superdelegates have been reduced by 2/3, only elected officials. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #76

I can't stand caucuses. I have a funny feeling I'm going to run the next one.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #84

Wtf greiner3 Jul 2016 #77

no, just letting actual Democrats and allies attend our nomination geek tragedy Jul 2016 #78

Do we know if the bad delegates are from states with open primaries? RAFisher Jul 2016 #80

they're probably from all 50 states. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #81

Then you lose my vote as well as many, many Wisconsinites. AllyCat Jul 2016 #82