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2016 Postmortem

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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:48 PM Aug 2016

538: "Down-Ballot Democrats Should Go After Johnson And Stein Voters" [View all]

Down-Ballot Democrats Should Go After Johnson And Stein Voters:

The third-party vote is unusually big this year — bigger than in any presidential election since 1992. Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein regularly combine for more than 10 percent of the vote in national polls. But despite those relatively strong showings, we know little about the partisan makeup of Johnson’s and Stein’s voters; there are enough of them to be worth tracking but too few to make up a meaningful sample in most individual surveys. Which party these voters favor outside of the presidential race could affect down-ballot races for the U.S. Senate and House.

We can learn a bit more about these voters from new data that Morning Consult has shared with FiveThirtyEight; it’s aggregated from the firm’s national tracking polls from Aug. 1 through Aug. 20. Johnson’s voters are very slightly more favorably disposed toward Republicans. Stein’s voters are overwhelmingly more favorable toward Democrats. If these voters shun the two major parties at the top of the ticket but choose between the two in down-ballot races, they could help Democrats in congressional races.

When respondents were asked which party’s candidate they would back in their district’s U.S. House race, only 53 percent of Johnson backers said the Republican; 46 percent said they would vote for the Democrat. (They were not offered the option of a third-party candidate.)1 That’s a bit surprising — I would guess that a Libertarian candidate would draw support disproportionately from the GOP. But the small Republican edge among Johnson supporters means that, as a group, they would barely affect down-ballot races if they voted for a major-party nominee. Considering that 9 percent of all voters in the Morning Consult data said they were supporting Johnson for president, the 7-point edge in the U.S. House question means that Johnson voters are adding a little less than two-thirds of a percentage point of support to the Republican margin in the national House vote.

Stein supporters, meanwhile, overwhelmingly favor Democratic House candidates (not surprisingly). Democrats win the House ballot among Stein voters 74 percent to 25 percent. That nearly 50-point margin means that although just 4 percent of all voters are backing Stein, they add 2 percentage points to the aggregate Democratic margin in House races.

Great article. Well worth reading (and well worth executing the suggested strategy).
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"we know little about the partisan makeup of Johnson’s and Stein’s voters..." R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #1
Right they might as well take their vote and flush it... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #3
It's their vote(s). They can do with it as they see fit, but... R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #4
The Dems do have a better strategy but it sounds like you haven't been listening? bettyellen Aug 2016 #8
Try re-reading post #3. While you're at it read the OP as well. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #9
You think DUers are formulating or executing the campaign strategy? Lol nope. bettyellen Aug 2016 #10
I don't recall writing anything of the sort, and frankly I'm glad that they aren't...hopefully. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #11
It seems like you are still having a hard time moving past the primaries bettyellen Aug 2016 #12
Again, this is not about me. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #13
With all your complaints about insults it does sound very personal to you.... bettyellen Aug 2016 #14
I know it must be hard, but try re-re-reading the OP and what it says. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #15
If being snide and looking down on people floats your boat..... bettyellen Aug 2016 #24
LOL! Ok! Thou doth protest too much. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #26
Your posts are snide and reek of a bitterness, yes they doth! bettyellen Aug 2016 #29
Seems both sides here prefer losing to being courteous. Hortensis Aug 2016 #40
Check out post #1. It was curteous. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #45
Yes, Attorney in Texas was courteous and informative. Hortensis Aug 2016 #47
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #48
Opinions vary... R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #44
Lol. OMG, so much projection. I can't even. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #53
Sure they can, but don't call yourself progressive if you plan to vote for any third party candidate Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #34
I am fairly progressive...TY very much. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #46
If you are saying you plan to vote third party and I hope you are not... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #54
A complete waste of time to go after Green voters. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #2
Some will come around...even without the insults. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #6
I have nothing for Greens but contempt...they accomplish nothing Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #35
How did they give us Bush? 8% of registered Democrats Exilednight Aug 2016 #39
I'm not blaming, but don't forget that Ralph Nader's Hortensis Aug 2016 #42
It is not all about Florida...although that was bad enough Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #55
Agree. But considering some went Green mainly Hortensis Aug 2016 #41
I believe the vast majority of those who consider themselves Green have already still_one Aug 2016 #51
This is good Johnny2X2X Aug 2016 #5
We may get some Johnson voters GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #7
Exactly. KMOD Aug 2016 #17
This is not what 538 says: Greens would go heavily Dem. Hortensis Aug 2016 #43
It makes no sense for Democrats to try to appeal to libertarians -- who don't believe pnwmom Aug 2016 #16
Right. And my take about the libertarian voters is Hortensis Aug 2016 #49
The reality is they have two choices KMOD Aug 2016 #18
People can vote for whomever they want. Right? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #19
Yes. But I can still think they are an idiot. KMOD Aug 2016 #21
Free country and all. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #23
Idiots scare me. KMOD Aug 2016 #27
Do you know any of them? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #28
Personally? no. KMOD Aug 2016 #30
I see idiots... tonedevil Aug 2016 #31
Yes, people can even vote for Trump if they want oberliner Aug 2016 #22
Really? Convincing? Devoted? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #25
Well, they're idiots for a reason. grossproffit Aug 2016 #20
The real issue is that PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #32
They lose me with their message. KMOD Aug 2016 #33
Word salad that has zero to do with the article posted Capt. Obvious Aug 2016 #37
since you have stated on this site that you would vote for n "down ticket but not the top" Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #36
One has to work hard to even find a Stein voter. There just aren't many. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #38
But liberals are NICE people. :) Seriously, we all have Hortensis Aug 2016 #50
Stein voters are the modern Know-Nothings. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #52
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