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NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
6. And again it comes down to ...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:23 AM
Sep 2016

... how it is the fault of the HRC supporters that the Bernie-or-Busters feel the way they do.

"And if it still angers you that people feel that way about Bernie and not about our current nominee...you might want to consider what it is about the candidate people such as yourself insisted was the person we HAD to nominate if we didn't want to go down in flames, etc ...

I invite you to link to a post of mine that said any such thing - along with all the other bladdy-blah-blah bullshit.

What you invariably seem to advocate is that the former Bernie supporters who are promoting voting third party, or sitting out the election due to spite, should be coddled and placated in order to win their votes.

According to you, it always comes down to how hard done-by the BS supporters have been, and how allowances should be made for their reluctance to support the candidate who would KEEP TRUMP OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

Sorry, no deal. I, for one, am not interested in kow-towing to people who are no better than the right-wingers who they have suddenly decided have a legitimate point of view. I am not interested in placating people who still think HRC should be listening to THEM, instead of following the course that won her the nomination in the first place.

I am sick-to-death of people who identify themselves as True Progressives (TM) who constantly promote the idea that HRC "stole" the election from Bernie, rather than admit that the majority of Democrats weren't buying what Bernie was selling - people who would rather see the country "burned to the ground" than admit that Trump and HRC are NOT the same.

I am not the least bit interested in coddling people whose "resentment lingers" because their preferred candidate didn't get the nomination. I don't give a flyin' fuck about what's causing them to be less enthusiastic about HRC. And I certainly don't care about those who think a Trump win will "teach the country a lesson".

You can make excuses all you want for those people, Ken. The reality is they are no better than the right-wingers they now quote, the anyone-but-Hillary crowd who are all too happy to see Trump elected because they think it proves their point that not giving Bernie the nomination deserves punishment.

Fuck that - and fuck those who think that way. Bernie is NOT the nominee. Get over it and move on - and stop pretending that the fate of the nation is somehow LESS important than the personal butt-hurt of a small group of voters who think their feelings are more important than the reality of the outcome of this election.

It's really very simple, Ken: Either you want to see Trump elected or you don't. There is no middle ground.

If you have to be coddled, you don't care if he's elected. If you have to be placated, you don't care is he's elected. If you are advocating voting third party, you don't care if he's elected. If you want to play the persecuted butt-hurt Bernie-or-Bust supporter, you don't care if he's elected.

"She doesn't have to try and BE Bernie, but she should be listening to the better lessons his campaign taught."

It's time for the Bernie-or-Busters to acknowledge that the majority of the party thought HRC's agenda more in keeping with what THEY want, and should behave accordingly. But they've made it clear that it's their way or no way - so they can sit on their sorry butts and complain all they want. No one is listening.

My feeling is that the Bernie-or-bust crowd never vote anyway - so their absence at the polls will not be missed in any event.

This seems like a overreaction, no offense Charles Bukowski Sep 2016 #1
I hope you are right. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #2
+1 demmiblue Sep 2016 #18
The truth is ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #27
Don't know how it is, Burch, but every time I read one Hortensis Sep 2016 #62
+1! BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #63
Well said. I feel the same way. Condescended to. yardwork Sep 2016 #64
:) SO misguided. We are a magnificently diverse coalition Hortensis Sep 2016 #65
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Ken. NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #3
I don't want to go to that site. And there's nothing that would win over people Ken Burch Sep 2016 #4
And again it comes down to ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #6
Not coddled-and-placated...approached on the level of reason and respect. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #7
We saw this in 2000 Gothmog Sep 2016 #12
This year is different. This year, we have a much better platform Ken Burch Sep 2016 #20
Those who are planning to vote for a third party candidate or Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #30
By that logic, there's no point in even mentioning them. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #41
Those who are voting third party hate Hillary mostly. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #49
There is no way to reason with some of these folks...and they don't belong here so we can't win Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #14
If you can't reason with them, you can't win them over through abuse, either. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #24
I don't give a damn about them. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #29
I have actually never called out any supporter of a third party candidate although they deserve it. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #31
Win them over? How about they grow up and support the D nominee stopbush Sep 2016 #19
"Why not try it" NastyRiffraff Sep 2016 #21
Actually, we've never tried it. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #23
That will never happen and Stein Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #32
Ok. Then point out that Stein said that. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #39
Here you go: Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #58
I meant use it as part of the argument for voting Clinton-Kaine. n/t. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #61
The primaries are over. JTFrog Sep 2016 #34
This has nothing to do with the primaries. The primaries are the past. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #40
Reason and respect? NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #25
!!! zappaman Sep 2016 #26
Agree 100%. Fuck that noise. NT JTFrog Sep 2016 #36
Amen NastyRiffraff Sep 2016 #45
Well said. nt JTFrog Sep 2016 #8
Brava! SticksnStones Sep 2016 #9
Wonderful Post as always. nt Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #16
You don't want to go to that site ANY MORE, I think you mean. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #50
They wanted me to join(I knew some of them here), but I never did. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #53
So I'm supposed to take you at your word? Despite the content of your posts? BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #54
Yes, you are supposed to take me at your word. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #55
Sure, you don't HAVE to prove anything. It just leaves the evidence I have that you participated BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #56
I never participated in anything on JPR. I opposed HRC in the primaries, but never hated her. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #60
Another Great Post by Nance Gothmog Sep 2016 #11
I will say Armstead is doing just that at JPR...making the the case why one should vote for Hillary Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #57
And taking a lot of flack for doing so. NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #59
In danger of the Grifter-in-Chief rethug candidate. ffr Sep 2016 #5
A vote for stein or Johnson is a vote for trump Gothmog Sep 2016 #10
If just repeating that phrase worked, the Stein and Johnson numbers would be dropping Ken Burch Sep 2016 #44
People who are supporting third party candidates are Trump supporters Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #13
On this we can agree - K&R CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #15
I would also like to bring up the "hold her feet" comment..." Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #17
Progressives weren't to blame for that at all. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #22
"No one on the left was allowed anywhere near the Oval Office ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #28
It isn't about me. Stop always personalizing and trivializing. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #37
Uh, Ken ... NanceGreggs Sep 2016 #46
Nancy your posts rock. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #48
The lesson is support your president. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #35
I don't defend not voting. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #38
how do you expect anything to get done Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #42
OK, but the responsibility to prevent non-voting goes both ways: Ken Burch Sep 2016 #43
I don't give a damn about blaming. Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #47
Those who are thinking of voting third party this fall.... NCTraveler Sep 2016 #33
Your first complete sentence and last complete sentence really does say it all. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #51
Thanks Ken. If for nothing else the Supreme Court will be determined for the next still_one Sep 2016 #52
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