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Mon Dec 19, 2016, 05:15 AM

sheshe2 (71,426 posts)

143. Yes he is.

A good man.

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Bernie filled stadiums. Much as I like Hillary, she just wasn't an exciting candidate. [View all]	RBInMaine	Dec 2016	OP
Some serious BS with this line.	NCTraveler	Dec 2016	#1
And many more did not show up or went third party or to Trump. Those are just the facts.	RBInMaine	Dec 2016	#2
And many more voted for Clinton than Trump. Just the fact.	George II	Dec 2016	#10
Why? Because a Hillary nomination led to a Trump Presidency.	virtualobserver	Dec 2016	#54
This. nt	redqueen	Dec 2016	#77
THIS. is the bottom line.	RazBerryBeret	Dec 2016	#78
Sanders and his supporters carrying water for the Republicans led to a Trump Presidency	LongtimeAZDem	Dec 2016	#79
nonsense....you imagine Hillary as a fragile victim....	virtualobserver	Dec 2016	#80
Not at all; Sanders supporters repeated Republican attacks as gospel,	LongtimeAZDem	Dec 2016	#82
I supported Sanders, and voted for Hillary in the GE.	virtualobserver	Dec 2016	#83
That's bullshit. The bernie or bust crew wasn't large enough to to that. The vast	dionysus	Dec 2016	#106
They Went 3rd Party or Not At All & We Lost	otohara	Dec 2016	#173
Can you prove any of that with data, and not some anecdote from JPR types? If you can actually prove	dionysus	Dec 2016	#176
Here	otohara	Dec 2016	#177
Hillary was fighting an anti-establishment head wind.	Dustlawyer	Dec 2016	#155
And clearly Bernie did not have a competent campaign as he couldn't even win the primary. n/t	seaglass	Dec 2016	#89
Bernie was a complete unknown, yet he did well...especially considering DWS's debate freeze out.....	virtualobserver	Dec 2016	#98
Why was he unknown if he was in Congress for 30 years and on talk radio for 10?	seaglass	Dec 2016	#99
He is well known now, and highly regarded, nationwide.....	virtualobserver	Dec 2016	#139
His 10 Years On Radio Was Effective In Demonizing Democrats	otohara	Dec 2016	#174
Unknown after 30 years in the Senate?	sheshe2	Dec 2016	#129
He is not unknown any more....and is highly regarded...which says a lot more.	virtualobserver	Dec 2016	#140
Yes he is.	sheshe2	Dec 2016	#143
So would a Bernie nomination	jmowreader	Dec 2016	#141
we know that Hillary lost....	virtualobserver	Dec 2016	#161
Why?	Kentonio	Dec 2016	#168
4.3 million more votes in California, which we will see more of in the future, it wasn't nationally.	braddy	Dec 2016	#75
Re: 4.3 million more votes in California	SFnomad	Dec 2016	#154
If they were that fucking stupid	Island Blue	Dec 2016	#36
This was about issues	DK504	Dec 2016	#132
So You Must Attend A Rally	otohara	Dec 2016	#172
They were also a LOT of alt-righters there that were NEVER voting for him in the general.	LaydeeBug	Dec 2016	#146
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And some of her supporters dismissed the very idea of building enthusiasm.	Ken Burch	Dec 2016	#4
When has "enthusiasm" or lack thereof, ever been an issue in a Presidential election?	George II	Dec 2016	#13
Not an issue...a factor.	Ken Burch	Dec 2016	#14
I don't think "charisma" had much to do with some, if not all, of those elections.	George II	Dec 2016	#18
In 1976, the Democrats were going to take the White House no matter what.	Ken Burch	Dec 2016	#20
That is definitely not true	oberliner	Dec 2016	#26
Carter was thirty points ahead at one point in the summer.	Ken Burch	Dec 2016	#45
It was tied in October	oberliner	Dec 2016	#48
It was very close - Ford had bad gaffe too (saying Poland wasn't under Soviet influence)	MrPurple	Dec 2016	#102
I don't recall Nixon being known as the "moderate/liberal" in 1968, in fact he wasn't.	braddy	Dec 2016	#74
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Republican	George II	Dec 2016	#85
Nixon was not seen as the moderate/liberal candidate in 1968, and he was running against Rockefeller	braddy	Dec 2016	#86
What one is "seen as" and what one actually "was" are two totally different things.	George II	Dec 2016	#92
Nixon was not a liberal in 1968, and Rockefeller was running against him in 1968.	braddy	Dec 2016	#93
Compared to 1968 field, Nixon wasn't liberal. Compared to today's Rethugs, he is.	MrPurple	Dec 2016	#103
Very good post Ken	lastone	Dec 2016	#64
There's a problem with your theory	mythology	Dec 2016	#5
Didn't Gallup predict a Hillary win in the GE?	Exilednight	Dec 2016	#7
And didn't she win?	yallerdawg	Dec 2016	#27
Where will she be on inauguration day?	Exilednight	Dec 2016	#40
Gallup didnt poll the presidential race this cycle	MadBadger	Dec 2016	#104
Who said anything about polling?	Exilednight	Dec 2016	#111
No no no! We need more of the same! It's been working out so well!	aidbo	Dec 2016	#6
she still got more people to actually vote for her	JI7	Dec 2016	#8
Sure. But considering who she was running against, it should have	dionysus	Dec 2016	#107
look at what congress is made up of	JI7	Dec 2016	#110
Good points. Sadly, that means there's more racism and misogny out there	dionysus	Dec 2016	#112
It was by 3 mil votes,	sheshe2	Dec 2016	#130
We both no, to gore's lament, that's not what we're talking about.	dionysus	Dec 2016	#138
She ran against trump, who had already defeated 16 other contenders, agains the KGB, against Comey,	lunamagica	Dec 2016	#160
Let's not grant trump any credit where credit is not due. And to suggest the voters were	dionysus	Dec 2016	#167
Yes, but by spending more time campaigning in Cali than Wisconsin, we got the Fuhrer-Elect. Not a good strategy going for the win in the popular vote.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2016	#122
Why didn't that translate into votes?	George II	Dec 2016	#9
It translated into far more votes than anyone expected.	Ken Burch	Dec 2016	#16
55+% is much more. And that "superdelegate" excuse is just that, an excuse. How many of the.....	George II	Dec 2016	#19
Almost all of them.	Ken Burch	Dec 2016	#21
You're entitled to your opinion. But I doubt you can bolster that opinion with fact.	George II	Dec 2016	#22
It's a fact that Bernie did far better than anyone expected.	Ken Burch	Dec 2016	#23
I referring to your fact that "almost all" of the 30 million people who participated....	George II	Dec 2016	#24
Yet Hillary only won what was it, 4 out of all of those yellow states in the general?	Autumn	Dec 2016	#63
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2016	#91
the write in is still pretty much wanting or ok with Trump as president	JI7	Dec 2016	#100
Yes, let's shrink the party... perhaps we can teot out another classic like	dionysus	Dec 2016	#108
Your map illustrates the southern primary strategy.	HassleCat	Dec 2016	#117
It shows the fact that Sanders may not be as progressive as some would like to think.	George II	Dec 2016	#118
Or perhaps more progressive.	HassleCat	Dec 2016	#119
The fundamental problem is that by and large	forjusticethunders	Dec 2016	#158
Exactly, George.. why didn't the "big stadiums" translate	Cha	Dec 2016	#33
80,000 who gave Trump the E.C can barely fill a stadium themselves..	JHan	Dec 2016	#58
You're missing the point. The point is, if she excited people the way bernie did, or got	dionysus	Dec 2016	#109
Do you really think that the GOP...	SaschaHM	Dec 2016	#11
neither of them are gonna run again in 4 years, so I suggest looking forward.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#12
I like Gavin Newsom. Great pic.	ms liberty	Dec 2016	#162
Exactly. Because that's what leaders do. They lead.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#163
Comey, voter suppression And Russia... Empirical factors everything else is guessing	uponit7771	Dec 2016	#15
Like the DU gunner in NC who claims that's what the voters were grumbling about Nov 8..eom	Kolesar	Dec 2016	#56
Bernie Sanders did absolutely nothing for me, my family, and friends...nt	asuhornets	Dec 2016	#17
Not in my town he didn't, but the press pretended he did.	ucrdem	Dec 2016	#25
That is magnanimous of you RBinMaine.. Thanks.	CentralMass	Dec 2016	#28
Small town America and the rural areas won't vote for us we need to get the Obama coalition and the	coolbreeze77	Dec 2016	#29
Ugh... Staaaaaaaaahp! Just Staaaaahp!	Squinch	Dec 2016	#30
Exciting is horribly overrated.	stopbush	Dec 2016	#31
Please stop this already. n/t	rzemanfl	Dec 2016	#32
+1,000,000	AgadorSparticus	Dec 2016	#37
Yes.	tecelote	Dec 2016	#51
Bernie "filled stadiums" with white people. That's not the Democratic party, and for that I'm.....	Tarheel_Dem	Dec 2016	#34
Brava!	sheshe2	Dec 2016	#133
Yep. His brand of economic populism became a turnoff.	kcr	Dec 2016	#148
Hillary's campaign was designed for her to listen to voters. Bernie's campaign	oasis	Dec 2016	#35
Bingo!	EffieBlack	Dec 2016	#60
So Hillary never made promises...	TCJ70	Dec 2016	#94
It was Bernie's "pie-in-the-sky"pitch that filled the stadiums.	oasis	Dec 2016	#95
Pie-in-the-sky...kinda like "Hope and Change". So vague, right? N/t	TCJ70	Dec 2016	#97
"Vague"? Not to those who recognize bullshit when they hear it.	oasis	Dec 2016	#101
HRC didn't rent stadiums, she did smaller venues and events that involved meeting with and talking	synergie	Dec 2016	#38
Spot on perfect analysis!	EffieBlack	Dec 2016	#61
BS ... it cost a LOT of money	PassingFair	Dec 2016	#88
Bingo.	TexasMommaWithAHat	Dec 2016	#156
Lol	Dem2	Dec 2016	#39
A new hobby might be in order.	grossproffit	Dec 2016	#41
Oh bullshit.	ismnotwasm	Dec 2016	#42
I like this. Succinct and right on the money!	justhanginon	Dec 2016	#53
Bernie filled stadiums.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#43
And to put a finer point on it, voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio count even more.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2016	#114
To put an even finer point on it ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#136
Useless post/thread. For Christ's sake, please stop this. n/t	VOX	Dec 2016	#44
Hillary filled voting booths. Much as I liked BS, he lost the primary by millions.	Hekate	Dec 2016	#46
Excitement isn't everything.	Orsino	Dec 2016	#47
The Beatles filled stadiums, too	DFW	Dec 2016	#49
Well, when you are bigger than God...	Kolesar	Dec 2016	#57
Lennon wrote better songs	DFW	Dec 2016	#70
Paul McCartney had considerable activism on animal rights and climate protection	Kolesar	Dec 2016	#145
It's not that Hillary wasn't an exciting candidate, it's that Bernie was speaking to people's hearts	Yo_Mama	Dec 2016	#50
... and speaking to people's hearts is what was exciting. Just look at the faces of people at his	JudyM	Dec 2016	#68
I don't see the images you posted.	sheshe2	Dec 2016	#134
Bernie filled the stadiums with people who didn't vote. Hillary filled the voting booths. n/t	Lil Missy	Dec 2016	#52
Sanders was devoid of substance: free college, should have locked up the bankers, ...	Kolesar	Dec 2016	#55
Difficult to be exciting when you are constantly fighting off....	democratisphere	Dec 2016	#59
Bernie mostly "filled stadiums" on college campuses ...he was the cool grandpa	Dream Girl	Dec 2016	#62
Much as I liked Bernie Sanders at first	Demsrule86	Dec 2016	#65
Yeah, but filled stadiums didn't translate into more votes for him.	tammywammy	Dec 2016	#66
Like with Gore I just can't answer	treestar	Dec 2016	#67
Spoken like an intellectual. Pity we don't have a country full of them.	JudyM	Dec 2016	#69
Seriously- this cult of personality shit is killing us. Enough.	bettyellen	Dec 2016	#72
Enjoy the Trump presidency	Emilybemily	Dec 2016	#71
+1 (nt)	LongtimeAZDem	Dec 2016	#84
Inaccurate analysis in an attempt to stoke division.	NCTraveler	Dec 2016	#73
If we are indeed in an era of "outsider politics", why are 98% of incumbents re-elected?	guillaumeb	Dec 2016	#76
absolutely spot on....	mike_c	Dec 2016	#81
She was smart, she worked hard, she was honest and she was flexible.	ucrdem	Dec 2016	#87
Ouch!	sheshe2	Dec 2016	#135
Mahalo, ucr!	Cha	Dec 2016	#166
Bernie Lost. Move on with your life. Hillary won the Primary and the General in popular vote.	Lil Missy	Dec 2016	#90
Are we supposed to learn from our mistakes, or circle the wagons and pretend they don't exist?	dionysus	Dec 2016	#121
Agreed.	hellofromreddit	Dec 2016	#128
She won. It was stolen. End of story.	Lil Missy	Dec 2016	#142
Well, tell yourself whatever makes you feel good. As far as bernie, he didn't	dionysus	Dec 2016	#144
and yours amount to "concern trolling".	Lil Missy	Dec 2016	#147
Yes, i am concerned your wing of the party might cause consecutive losses, the way shit is going!	dionysus	Dec 2016	#149
President Obama said at his recent press conference that there is no evidence that the actual vote	totodeinhere	Dec 2016	#164
didn't like Hillary but still voted for her	formerGreenParty	Dec 2016	#96
She wasn't that bad.. she did generate a lot of excitement.. but among the hardcore base. But she	dionysus	Dec 2016	#105
I hope they're excited about the massive shit sandwich	Charles Bukowski	Dec 2016	#113
Sometimes i believe that as a country, we collectively deserve what we ask for...	dionysus	Dec 2016	#120
This message was self-deleted by its author	andym	Dec 2016	#115
Enthusiasm helps, but look at the two George Bush's for examples of candidates who won	andym	Dec 2016	#116
So your opinion is large crowds votes.....	Historic NY	Dec 2016	#123
thank you	DonCoquixote	Dec 2016	#124
Without rehashing the primary	crazycatlady	Dec 2016	#125
Bernie filled stadiums, Hillary got more votes. Trump filled stadiums, Hillary got more votes.	brooklynite	Dec 2016	#126
Trump won. Maybe we should have gone with the guy who filled stadiums...n/t	TCJ70	Dec 2016	#150
Do you want imagine Trump had no oppo to use against Sanders?	brooklynite	Dec 2016	#151
Did I say that? n/t	TCJ70	Dec 2016	#153
When one party rigs an election, it's really not a win.	underthematrix	Dec 2016	#127
Utter GARBAGE. Hillary drew virtually the same number of votes as Obama 2012	pnwmom	Dec 2016	#131
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2016	#137
The DNC had 4 of it's top members resign including the chair person. What was that about?	think	Dec 2016	#152
Wow!	LiberalFighter	Dec 2016	#157
If he was so exciting, why didn't he excite people to vote?	lunamagica	Dec 2016	#159
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2016	#165
Let's also not forget the huge numbers of new supporters	Kentonio	Dec 2016	#169
Seems excitement won out over actual ability & competence.	baldguy	Dec 2016	#170
As An Older Voter - Bullshit	otohara	Dec 2016	#171
Lots of truth here.	realmirage	Dec 2016	#175

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