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2016 Postmortem

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1StrongBlackMan

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Sat Aug 3, 2013, 10:30 AM Aug 2013

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what I hope to have been productive discussions, here on DU and in other places, with other Democrats. I have found myself, talking to some Democrats that have staked out the "Hold their feet to the fire/Hold them accountable" position (seemingly, exclusively, as they have nothing good to say about Democrats or President Obama).

I have a question, that I believe requires honest reflection ...

If, one claims to be a Democrat (or liberal), does the "Hold their feet to the fire/Hold them accountable" position, without any balance (i.e., recognition of the positives accomplished by Democrats), help or hurt the Democratic (liberal) cause?

I have concluded that this position is far more harmful, than helpful in that it dissuades/causes disaffection among those that are most inclined to move in the Democratic/liberal direction.

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I've been engaged in ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 OP
it's essential Enrique Aug 2013 #1
I am not talking about ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #9
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever met a professional seeking to increase Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #2
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #10
Some of the most consistently negative posters have had an agenda all along. pnwmom Aug 2013 #26
I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #30
You didn't even try to answer his question. All you ended up doing was insulting him with that pnwmom Aug 2013 #25
He/she rarely ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #31
We've had several converstations in which you have been told I am male. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #35
I asked him a question, which he provided a rambling non response. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #34
His OP consisted of questions, which you deflected away with your own. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #36
The problem is the trend line pscot Aug 2013 #3
'Engaged' is an odd word to use considering the drive by nature of the OP Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #11
So you want to know if... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #5
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #12
I agree there has to be some support treestar Aug 2013 #6
Honestly ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #13
Polarization is really the best description of what is happening davidpdx Aug 2013 #7
I have my thoughts ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #14
+1 n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2013 #19
Democrats who adopt Republican positions are worse than useless. hay rick Aug 2013 #8
For orientational purposes ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #15
I try to be pragmatic. hay rick Aug 2013 #18
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #20
You are going about this the right way by working to move the party in your direction. pnwmom Aug 2013 #28
Most of my criticism flutters harmlessly off into cyberspace. hay rick Aug 2013 #32
Good for you! Thanks for helping get rid of West! n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #33
Democracy can't function without opposition Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #16
The blasphemy card? Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #17
Chearleading hinders the Progressive cause Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #23
It is you that is missing my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #24
I agree 100%! The movement is to work on improvement of what we have, not to expect Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #21
Balance is a good idea Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #22
There are a few DUers who do absolutely NOTHING but criticise kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #27
I put both the trolls and the swooners on Ignore Skittles Aug 2013 #29
I don't believe so. I believe holding our leaders to their promises is necessary Arkana Aug 2013 #37
it is far more harmful dbackjon Aug 2013 #38
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