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2016 Postmortem

Proud Liberal Dem

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11. "Hard to see. Always in motion the future is"

Reply to ellenrr (Original post)

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:06 PM

Sep 2013

Did Clinton's intervention in Kosovo ruin the Dems in 2000 (granted, the Dems had a lot of problems in 2000 but nothing to do with Kosovo, which was viewed AFAIK as a success)? Why would a failed war vote in Congress hurt us politically in three years time? By then, it will be clearer whether or not the decision was the right one but so many things are going to happen between now and 2016 that will shape the election and it's questionable about whether or not this will be one of them. I recall just a few weeks ago, a lot of people here were convinced that the Snowden/NSA revelations were going to destroy the Democratic Party in 2014 and 2016. Now, we're on to Syria.

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If Obama loses war vote, is this good or bad for the Democrats in 2016? [View all] ellenrr Sep 2013 OP

If he loses the vote Not Me Sep 2013 #1

I'm talking about the effect of the Congressional vote nt ellenrr Sep 2013 #3

Considering that the will of the people at present is strongly against intervention, Myrina Sep 2013 #8

exactly! and one hopes that those who vote against their constituents ellenrr Sep 2013 #9

Depends on which Democrats you mean. Bad for the war loving Third Way types. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #2

ok, but do you think that the American populace (or the voting one) or the Democratic voting one) ellenrr Sep 2013 #4

It's good for the country and the world. The elections are already FUBARed. leveymg Sep 2013 #5

everything is stood on its head. I heard a rep. Tom Cole, don't know maybe he is a "moderate" repub, ellenrr Sep 2013 #6

And the band played "The World Turned Upside Down" leveymg Sep 2013 #7

Do Republicans even recognize the ICC? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2013 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author ellenrr Sep 2013 #13

the US is not a signatory to the ICC ellenrr Sep 2013 #13

"Hard to see. Always in motion the future is" Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2013 #11

Depends on what happens next, and next, and next. polichick Sep 2013 #12

It's good for those Democrats who vote against the war. Bad for those that vote for war. nt bemildred Sep 2013 #15