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2016 Postmortem

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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:38 AM Dec 2013

Why I fled libertarianism — and became a liberal [View all]

I was a Ron Paul delegate back in 2008 -- now I'm a Democrat. Here's my personal tale of disgust and self-discovery

EDWIN LYNGAR


The night before the 2008 Nevada Republican convention, the Ron Paul delegates all met at a Reno high school. Although I’d called myself a libertarian for almost my entire adult life, it was my first exposure to the wider movement.

And boy, was it a circus. Many members of the group were obsessed with the gold standard, the Kennedy assassination and the Fed. Although Libertarians believe government is incompetent, many of them subscribe to the most fringe conspiracy theories imaginable. Airplanes are poisoning America with chemicals (chemtrails) or the moon landings were faked. Nothing was too far out. A great many of them really think that 9-11 was an inside job. Even while basking in the electoral mainstream, the movement was overflowing with obvious hokum.

During the meeting, a Ron Paul staffer, a smart and charismatic young woman, gave a tip to the group for the upcoming convention. “Dress normal,” she said. “Wear suits, and don’t bring signs or flags. Don’t talk about conspiracy theories. Just fit in.” Her advice was the kind you might hear given to an insane uncle at Thanksgiving.

Then next day, I ran into that same operative at the convention, and I complimented her because Ron Paul delegates were being accepted into the crowd. I added, “We‘re going to win this thing. 'Bring in the clowns,'" she said, and smiled before I lost her in the mass of people.

I will never forget that moment: Bring in the clowns. At the time, I considered myself a thoughtful person, yet I could hardly claim to be one if you judged me by the company I kept. The young lady knew something I had not yet learned: most of our supporters were totally fucking nuts.

full article
http://www.salon.com/2013/12/28/why_i_fled_libertarianism_and_became_a_liberal/
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nuts and manipulated mdbl Dec 2013 #1
Exactly correct...manipulated. zeemike Dec 2013 #9
Clean up the quotes in that next to last paragraph. Lasher Dec 2013 #2
A very good description of the libertarians I have known personally. nt Nay Dec 2013 #3
Yes, they want less government but bitch if there's a pothole in their street. groundloop Dec 2013 #4
whenever I encounter a libertarian running for public office, I point out the hypocricy. somehow, niyad Dec 2013 #14
Ask any libertarian skepticscott Dec 2013 #16
not to take away from a great article but santroy79 Dec 2013 #5
Remember that "a stopped clock is correct twice a day." I also have reservations Nay Dec 2013 #6
A succinct quote from the linked article: Lasher Dec 2013 #10
yes... ensemble Dec 2013 #8
Welcome to DU, ensemble! calimary Dec 2013 #39
Welcome to DU, santroy79. calimary Dec 2013 #40
Oh, I love this quote: tanyev Dec 2013 #7
"Their saving grace is a complete lack of organizational ability" progressoid Dec 2013 #28
we have that problem too DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #32
Delightful! another_liberal Dec 2013 #11
Libertarians are visionary . . . and blind. freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #12
The libertarian answer to that is skepticscott Dec 2013 #18
Like the people on the train in Atlas Shrugged treestar Jan 2014 #41
Libertarians had a lot more votes then Republicans want to admit. mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #13
Welcome to DU, mitty12u2! calimary Dec 2013 #38
I lost my label maker a long time ago. MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #15
Good point. You need not go any further than here, with a different opinion on something, 7962 Dec 2013 #17
kick valerief Dec 2013 #19
Those aren't libertarians; those are right wing looneys. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #20
That may be so, but are there any "good" libertarians left? starroute Dec 2013 #23
Yes, but it's a good question you ask as to where they are. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #30
That one person sounds more like an anarcho-syndicalist starroute Dec 2013 #31
More like "down with the federal government" truebluegreen Dec 2013 #25
Good article! The first time I listened to Ron Paul speak against our foreign aggression mountain grammy Dec 2013 #21
Thanks so much, DV for bringing this here. These 4 paragraphs say it all: freshwest Dec 2013 #22
Libertarians are utopians. Octoberfurst Dec 2013 #24
Well said. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #26
Welcome to DU, Octoberfurst! calimary Dec 2013 #37
I went to one meeting. felt no genuine human warmth. heaven05 Dec 2013 #27
I see libertarianism as political puberty RainDog Dec 2013 #29
Political puberty!!! calimary Dec 2013 #36
The 2 biggest threats to libertarianism: progressivism and persistence. Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #33
+1 freshwest Dec 2013 #34
LOVE this!!! calimary Dec 2013 #35
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