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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: You Choose... Sanders or the Presidency [View all]Chan790
(20,176 posts)51. I think Hillary has a far greater chance of losing the GE to a Republican if she secures the nom.
By far greater, I mean 25-30% versus 5%.
Generally though, I subscribe to mathematical models that suggest that there is no path or means through the EC for the GOP to secure the Presidency in 2016...and when such scenarios occur, parties in the dominant position that do not nominate the least-centrist least-moderate candidate dismotivate their own base long-term and end up as a result out of power long-term.
So...for me it's simple.
- If you want to probably but not-certainly win in 2016 and end up handing the Presidency long-term to the GOP...vote Clinton.
- If you want to more-certainly win in 2016 and destroy the GOP possibly permanently...vote Sanders.
Assuming your assumption, I'm tired of Pyrrhic victories where we elect Democrats that govern like Republicans and feel that DLC corporatist wing of the Democratic party needs to be destroyed at any cost for the long-term good of all Democratic constituencies, the Republic and the party...so seeing Clintonism/3rd-way/DLC snuffed-out is more important than winning any one single election, even the 2016 Presidential race.
It's time we boot the fake Democrats like Hillary Clinton out and tell them they can be real Republicans, become real Democrats (they are not currently), or just go away but they are never going to be welcome until they give up their corporatist shitbaggery (also forced retirement for Hillary and all of her crony friends); keeping them is a cancer that is destroying Democratic values and will eventually lead to a one-party hegemonic corporatistic-conservative-masquerading-as-progressive state like Mexico was under PRI for 71 years.
In short, I see this primary as a clash-of-Democratic-civilizations that we cannot afford to lose. It is priority #1 and will be priority #1 forever until fake Democrats fall in line behind real Democrats.
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My priority is to elect a POTUS who is not wholly owned by corps and banks!
onecaliberal
Jun 2015
#1
With the attitude of many Democrats, that they like Bernie but will vote for Hillary because they
Dustlawyer
Jun 2015
#85
In all honesty I would rather choke on my own vomit than support Hillary Clinton
CBGLuthier
Jun 2015
#4
Plus the candidates ran like hell from Obama and acted as if they didn't know who the fuck he was
davidpdx
Jun 2015
#78
Why do you assume Bernie can win the nomination but be unable to take the election?
marble falls
Jun 2015
#7
But of course Hillary will be able to fly in under the right wing radar, right?.....
marble falls
Jun 2015
#31
Last time I checked, they allowed Republicans to vote in the General election...
brooklynite
Jun 2015
#15
I think Hillary has a far greater chance of losing the GE to a Republican if she secures the nom.
Chan790
Jun 2015
#51
This is ridiculous. Sanders is a good man, & this is the Primary season with a year and a half to go
Hekate
Jun 2015
#67
I don't do push polls or have one bit of respect for those that try to use them. n/t
99Forever
Jun 2015
#92
I think he can win over elderly Republicans and with a black female VP, Hillary supporters. Like BO,
ancianita
Jun 2015
#94
Every time we choose the bland centrist over the passionate insurgent progressive...
Ken Burch
Jun 2015
#95