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16. I think people -- especially people here at DU -- forget what the "sense of the nation" was back
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jul 2015

then. I felt the same way about the IWR as I did about the entire Reagan Presidency...."Gaaah, this is such utter BULLSHIT, this is NOT going to end well, these assclowns do not know what they are in for....they are stupid, stupid, STUPID and wrong as all get-out!!!!" .... but at the end of the day, my POV didn't hold sway. A lot of people who freaked out at the dead in New York City (and the freak-out reverberated for over a decade, even NOW you can shut people up by saying "NAHN WUN WUN" in some quarters) reacted viscerally and wanted to go kill people and they didn't really care who.

Politicians who survive know how to pick their battles. Biden's state is very interconnected with the financial industry (the whole credit card game) and the financial industry, whose beating heart is Wall Street in NYC, took the big Nahn Wun Wun hit. He would have been committing suicide if he'd gone any other way.

Same deal with the Thomas confirmation. I hate that "Bros before Hos" expression--I find it offensive and dismissive and denigrating--but that was the calculus he made. I took one listen to Ms. Hill and I flat-out KNEW she was telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but. To this day I admire the HELL out of that woman for walking into the lion's den like she did.

I can really dislike the positions that someone takes on this issue or that, and still understand the political calculations they made, why they made them, and the arc of their career as to good calls and bad ones. I can't turn my back on Biden because he fucked up here and there, but I do agree that he's probably not the best fit for the POTUS gig. Not with his personal family issues of late, or his health history....and the fact that he can at times be a lightning rod doesn't help, either.

Undecided Voters:

Joe Biden is a good man, a very good man, and an excellent VP. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #1
I love Joe Biden... Ino Jul 2015 #2
Finally something we can all agree on? Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #3
I think he should run. gwheezie Jul 2015 #4
I guess it depends if one agrees with his positions. still_one Jul 2015 #8
I don't agree with all of anyone's positions gwheezie Jul 2015 #26
AVMs. Two of them. MADem Jul 2015 #5
Same for me. BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #9
On more than one occasion he has said that was his "dream job." MADem Jul 2015 #11
Another one of my key issues with him is BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #12
I think people -- especially people here at DU -- forget what the "sense of the nation" was back MADem Jul 2015 #16
thanks for this adult analysis MBS Jul 2015 #20
Seth McF. does have a way of nailing it--even when it's a bit snarky/painful! nt MADem Jul 2015 #21
Those incidents were around 30 years ago oberliner Jul 2015 #13
What's past is prologue. MADem Jul 2015 #17
I think his positives outweigh his negatives oberliner Jul 2015 #18
I agree, but I'd as soon he didn't run. He'll do what he feels, of course! MADem Jul 2015 #19
Yes, they were--and the rightwing loves 'em. Still. MADem Jul 2015 #30
Yes, he is honest akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #6
No. SheilaT Jul 2015 #7
Lol. Agschmid Jul 2015 #24
Welcome him? Absolutely, want him? Well, not as much as other candidates... HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #10
Why shouldn't he run for president if sufrommich Jul 2015 #14
I love Joe, Barack, and Hillary DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #15
No for a few different reasons davidpdx Jul 2015 #22
I think Beau's illness may have prevented him from running TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #28
Anyone who wants to, and has the ambition to should run. Agschmid Jul 2015 #23
Sure, why not? Lil Missy Jul 2015 #25
He'd likely take some of the Hillary vote. So..... libdem4life Jul 2015 #27
No ibegurpard Jul 2015 #29
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