2016 Postmortem

daleanime

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84. My apologies, but please tell me exactly what I said....

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:53 PM

Jul 2015

that was disparaging? If I'm to do better in the future it's necessary knowledge.

Is it real impossible for me to have a different opinion? Look forward to your reply, thank you for your time.

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Why would any liberal support Hillary over Bernie? [View all] ram2008 Jul 2015 OP

Where is Bernie on legalization? LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #1

Because she can beat the GOP in the general election. DanTex Jul 2015 #2

That was her 2008 argument against Obama n/t ram2008 Jul 2015 #4

You asked, I answered. This is 2016, and there is no Obama. DanTex Jul 2015 #6

No, there is no Obama, but there is Bernie. Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #18

But there is Donald Trump. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #81

Oh Dan, Dan, Dan ... ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #87

There is someone better than Obama. I supported Obama but sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #234

I was talking about electability, not policy. DanTex Jul 2015 #235

Electability? Then you should be more worried about Hillary. Bernie has been sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #238

I'm pretty confident that Hillary is much more electable. DanTex Jul 2015 #239

Seems to me like Sanders will have a harder time beating HRC than the GOP phantom power Jul 2015 #23

Do NOT underestimate the GOP as weak. The did that with bush W. Also, the Koch brothers are still_one Jul 2015 #34

Yeah, and the general is likely to be Bush V Clinton tavalon Jul 2015 #58

At which point I write in E. Windsor. Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #191

And a few millions to rig the voting. erronis Jul 2015 #65

And I think a lot more will join Anonymous if they try to rig the counting, etc. too cascadiance Jul 2015 #77

You don't know that madokie Jul 2015 #31

Not for certain, no. But that's my best assessment of political reality. DanTex Jul 2015 #38

The name is Bernie Sanders madokie Jul 2015 #40

Elizabeth Warren zentrum Jul 2015 #62

Hopefully I'll still be here to see that madokie Jul 2015 #64

I hope so too! zentrum Jul 2015 #85

I would rather see her stay in the senate and become even more of a powerhouse. eggplant Jul 2015 #128

Not if Bernie wins! n/t aggiesal Jul 2015 #153

I love your confidence re Bernie. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #86

Bernie is taking his message into conservative strongholds. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #83

What Bernie is saying is what hifiguy Jul 2015 #113

I respectfully disagree. Bernie has Moderate R's as well as liberal progressives in his camp. His peacebird Jul 2015 #101

Fair enough. But that disagreement answers the OPs question. DanTex Jul 2015 #130

Understood, please know - we like different candidates, but ultimately are on the same side! peacebird Jul 2015 #135

I agree. We are all on the same side. DanTex Jul 2015 #137

Cheers! peacebird Jul 2015 #140

We can't know until someone starts polling Bernie matchups. Adrahil Jul 2015 #198

This "reason" bugs me. Beartracks Jul 2015 #104

All things being equal, I prefer Sanders. DanTex Jul 2015 #131

Oh Contraire Caretha Jul 2015 #144

Unlikely Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #109

There is a veritable hifiguy Jul 2015 #120

It isn't the skeleton. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #148

Completely agree dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #172

That's it, exactly. Sanders would just end up another "great 'populist' hope." I don't want it to Hoyt Jul 2015 #182

+1 nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #197

The best reason I've heard is that she's more likely to win the general drm604 Jul 2015 #3

For example, me. If I believed Bernie could win the GE, then I would support him. DanTex Jul 2015 #7

One thing I've noticed is that some right-wing acquantances seem to like him. drm604 Jul 2015 #12

I worry about him being able to get independents/moderates/swing voters. DanTex Jul 2015 #21

people just need to listen to him ONCE and those socialist labels lose their meaning. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #91

Bernie will do best with independents AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #165

There really are very few, TRUE indies/swing voters. John Poet Jul 2015 #216

Sanders frames the economic and social debates in moral terms, which they like. Qutzupalotl Jul 2015 #27

The Primary is not the General tavalon Jul 2015 #60

Yes - voting for the Lesser Good in the Primary, Maedhros Jul 2015 #11

Wow, concise and says it all, that's a keeper - eom dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #174

There's just no way she'd do better in the general election. dirtydickcheney Jul 2015 #17

I would suggest they don't need to "give" a reason... Agschmid Jul 2015 #5

I can not answer that question. SamKnause Jul 2015 #8

. 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #9

Because I am liberal and I am supporting a liberal candidate Hillary Clinton. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #10

"Talking, Advocate" ram2008 Jul 2015 #13

You ask the question why liberals supported Hillary and I provided some reasons why I support her. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #25

This why I didn't reply .... ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #90

Yes I know, they ask a question but do not want an answer. Where do some people get their Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #115

There seems to be some joy over attracting conservative votes, but aren't liberal. So I pose this freshwest Jul 2015 #162

It's not puzzling. They want Bernie to win the primaries so the Republicans don't have to face lunamagica Jul 2015 #180

I've read GOP websites that say exactly what you said... n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #184

Yep- he's not the magic candidate who can talk about raising taxes and get away with it- bettyellen Jul 2015 #199

Advocating is most of what Bernie Sanders has too mythology Jul 2015 #150

+1 especially the immigration reform part lunamagica Jul 2015 #30

...... daleanime Jul 2015 #41

Does Bernie have any experience on ending wars? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #44

Didn't want to start them. daleanime Jul 2015 #45

I don't like war either but sometimes the realization of needed action. I would bet if Israel was Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #47

Are we down to hoping an ally gets attacked? daleanime Jul 2015 #51

Is that how you read what was written? I didn't. But why are you arguing? Moonwalk Jul 2015 #72

My apologies, but please tell me exactly what I said.... daleanime Jul 2015 #84

Thinkingaboutit answered honestly a question about why a liberal would support Hilary.... Moonwalk Jul 2015 #175

Gun control is authoritarian Mnpaul Jul 2015 #46

Oh really. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #48

Not hard to figure out Mnpaul Jul 2015 #57

Now I hear the choir preaching to the preacher. I am aware if what liberal is. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #119

Suing a manufacturer because an individual shoots someone with a gun Mnpaul Jul 2015 #121

Let's agree to disagree. Every thing on gun issues is opposed by NRA. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #129

Maybe you should lose the preacher crap Mnpaul Jul 2015 #134

Hey, are practicing the authoritian crap and towards others what to do? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #154

She is Third Way tavalon Jul 2015 #63

The Third Way is a think tank, people getting together to find solutions for problems, they have Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #200

I have researched it tavalon Jul 2015 #207

You are joking, right? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #211

The Third Way are neither Liberals nor Democrats LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #240

No, look at their membership. I for one refuse to be renamed by others who wants to run this Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #243

Truth isn't a talking point. Third Wayers explicitly promore Republican economic policies. LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #244

They have a business plan, something which is needed to an operation as large as the givernment. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #245

What you laughably refer to as a business plan is a conglomeration of the LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #246

It is over, bye. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #247

I'm sorry, facts sting, don't they? LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #248

Hillary is corporate owned who will promise us cake... Rockyj Jul 2015 #195

Owned like Bernie is owned by NRA and listens to lobbyists from energy, tobacco and oil industries? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #201

I call bs on your "ownership" canard corkhead Jul 2015 #202

I used his voting record on gun issues, it is Bernie's voting record. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #203

Something about stones and glass houses comes to mind when it comes to you talking about lobbyists corkhead Jul 2015 #204

Swift boat attacks was lies, you can not say Bernie's voting record is a lie. Also, Wall Street is Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #205

Follow the $$$ Capn Sunshine Jul 2015 #212

Ifollowed the money. When Bernie was running against Peter Smith the NRA gave $18000 in ads against Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #219

The NRA gives Bernie a "D minus" on their issues. John Poet Jul 2015 #217

NRA rates Bernie as an "F" LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #241

Did he vote against the Brady Bill? Yes, that rates him a F on gun control issues for me. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #242

That depends how you define liberal sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #14

Defining liberal as being the same liberal voter for fifty years, this would make me a lifelong Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #32

Who was the most liberal president ever? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #39

I like Hillary more than Sanders. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #15

DUCK!!!! ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #94

I read below a poster doesn't think we are real Democrats. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #95

Oh course we're not! ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #99

Comments like the one below is why DU feels like it is going downhill. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #100

Same thing I've been saying marym625 Jul 2015 #16

Beats me. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #19

Then this makes Bernue's vote on AUMF not liberal also. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #26

Shhhhh! ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #102

Gotcha Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #116

Who was the most liberal president ever? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #37

What point are you trying to make for the 2nd time??? Okay, I give? You name the most liberal !!!! trueblue2007 Jul 2015 #54

Twentieth century only DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #59

Because they (and she) are not liberals, but Repub Lite. kath Jul 2015 #20

There are millions of prople who fought for the Working CLass and Organized LABOR... bvar22 Jul 2015 #22

I have been a union organizer also, I am a liberal and despite a claim otherwise does not change the Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #29

No, one thing Third Wayers are not is liberal. n/t cui bono Jul 2015 #33

Your post survived an alert, 0-7, LOL hay rick Jul 2015 #88

Wow what a shocker .. ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #98

I am liking you. nt sheshe2 Jul 2015 #122

Mob rule is teh awesome! Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #132

Thanks! Looks like someone won't be alerting for the next 16 hours or so. kath Jul 2015 #170

Jury results. zeemike Jul 2015 #89

Thanks for posting that. I think the poster who was alerted on should always receive jury resultsand kath Jul 2015 #171

. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #92

I know right? ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #105

Typical. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #106

Who are "they"? ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #96

You are calling Clinton supporters Republicans? oberliner Jul 2015 #111

Quite true Doctor_J Jul 2015 #118

What drivel. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #139

Wow, that is some hilarious shtick shenmue Jul 2015 #168

Given the number of Democratic votes ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #183

that would mean most Democrats and large majority of all minorities, lgbt and women are repub lite JI7 Jul 2015 #173

That is ok Kath. I feel similarly about some of her detractors here. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #210

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #24

Pony? daleanime Jul 2015 #28

Good for you. I'm supporting whoever the Dem nominee is. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #35

and THAT is exactly Bernie Sanders position as well Capn Sunshine Jul 2015 #213

A very good question. 99Forever Jul 2015 #36

If Bernie wins the nomination it will be a replay of 1972, and I will vote for him. What will demosincebirth Jul 2015 #42

Not with voters under 50 fbc Jul 2015 #78

You were obviously not around in 1972 eridani Jul 2015 #187

Sir/Madame, your assumption, in this case, is wrong. The first president I voted for was JFk, demosincebirth Jul 2015 #220

How did you ever manage to miss the culture wars? eridani Jul 2015 #223

either you didn't read my 1st post or you're assuming (again) what you think I said, which I didn't demosincebirth Jul 2015 #224

I think it comes down to fear and hate, which are intertwined. Maedhros Jul 2015 #43

Boom. hifiguy Jul 2015 #123

I'm a liberal and I support Clinton. demosincebirth Jul 2015 #49

Woop! Woop! ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #97

Insulting voters is not a good way to advocate for your candidate. frazzled Jul 2015 #50

why.would.a.Progressive.Democrat.support.Bernie.over.OMalley? KittyWampus Jul 2015 #52

Seriously? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #152

Hes.progressive.Even.on.gun.control.which.Bernie.isnt KittyWampus Jul 2015 #193

broken.windows. frylock Jul 2015 #236

A Very Good Question - Why Would Any Democrat Support A DLC Third Way Corporatist cantbeserious Jul 2015 #53

Because they are usually the only ones left in the General tavalon Jul 2015 #66

Hillary isn't a liberal. She's a centrist, establishment candidate. jalan48 Jul 2015 #55

good question nt heaven05 Jul 2015 #56

I am a liberal and old time DUer realFedUp Jul 2015 #61

Because 72% of identified liberals support her...... Historic NY Jul 2015 #67

0% of liberals support her. FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #69

Prove it.... Historic NY Jul 2015 #70

If the word liberal has any meaning at all FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #75

That's a very authoritarian perspective on the definition of liberal.... kjones Jul 2015 #124

You do realize that if words have no fixed meaning, then no conversation is possible FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #127

Ah, but you're not fighting for the fixed definition kjones Jul 2015 #143

Circular "reasoning." okasha Jul 2015 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #76

Yes, yes, of course. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #138

This is ridiculous oberliner Jul 2015 #145

that means there are very few liberals in this country so how is sanders going to win ? JI7 Jul 2015 #177

No liberal ever would. FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #68

fear ibegurpard Jul 2015 #71

Actually what I'm seeing is a lot of fear that he can win. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #108

That's not coming from liberals though ibegurpard Jul 2015 #136

self-identified liberals, nonetheless frylock Jul 2015 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #73

"There will be no Hillary supporters voting for Bernie" kjones Jul 2015 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #156

Well, to put it simply, you're operating with false assumptions kjones Jul 2015 #188

Rec'd ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #74

They believe Hillary has a better chance of getting liberal policies passed... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #79

I see what you did there! 99Forever Jul 2015 #93

Brilliant! kath Jul 2015 #125

yes, we have to nominate a conservative so we can win and pass liberal laws Doctor_J Jul 2015 #158

Of course! You can't risk conservative criticism! Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #159

good post fbc Jul 2015 #80

And how could ANY knowledgeable progressive vote for anyone who ... DrBulldog Jul 2015 #82

I don't get it either. cui bono Jul 2015 #103

Beats the living bejesus out of me hifiguy Jul 2015 #107

The differences are astounding, and the choice NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #110

She's not promising things she can't deliver. And with a Republican House until Jan 2023 at least stevenleser Jul 2015 #112

I hope that thise who "don't get it" and say "beats me" read this post lunamagica Jul 2015 #157

^^^^ THIS ^^^^ COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #227

No idea Doctor_J Jul 2015 #114

Because she can beat the Republicans.. DCBob Jul 2015 #117

What makes you so sure she can? morningfog Jul 2015 #164

Several reasons.. DCBob Jul 2015 #189

So are you saying anyone who supports Hillary can't be a liberal? still_one Jul 2015 #126

They would certainly be inconsistant. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #146

Good points still_one Jul 2015 #160

He can't win a general Kammer Jul 2015 #141

I like Bernie and would certainly vote for him if he wins the primary. I still favor HRC. kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #142

I think it comes down to competitiveness smiley Jul 2015 #147

Most liberals will not support her over Sanders. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #149

They're all just politicians. wildeyed Jul 2015 #151

Some want the "sure win" over actual liberal ideas. (nt) Inkfreak Jul 2015 #155

They're not playing to win, they're playing not to lose. Maedhros Jul 2015 #178

I am voting for Hillary because LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #161

Many reasons BainsBane Jul 2015 #163

Preach it, Sister! okasha Jul 2015 #167

Yes! Sing it! shenmue Jul 2015 #169

Bam!! ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #179

Bravo!!! lunamagica Jul 2015 #181

That was a mind and soul soothing post. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #185

*crickets* kjones Jul 2015 #226

Good for you! BainsBane Jul 2015 #228

Don't think of it as being ignored kjones Jul 2015 #232

I guess the real question should be why would a Democrat (Liberal) be supporting Bernie over Hillary Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #176

Money. 1%ers. They want theirs. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #186

Which is exactly why I have lost faith in the one person one vote system davidpdx Jul 2015 #218

because she will be an awesome president. nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #190

I generally find money is a fairly large factor for some reason. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #192

Hillary can win the general election Progressive dog Jul 2015 #194

Answer: Liberals don't. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #196

OK...I live in the liberal state of California Hepburn Jul 2015 #206

--> BECAUSE SHE CAN WIN <-- Herman4747 Jul 2015 #208

Bernie tried to stop H-1b visa abuse, Hillary pushed for more H-1b visas HFRN Jul 2015 #209

Getting tired of being told what this liberal can do and whom she can support. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #214

Why does a liberal have to be reminded different people think differently? Recursion Jul 2015 #215

Liberalism and socialism are very different things The Second Stone Jul 2015 #221

They wouldn't. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #222

Neo-liberals support her. LWolf Jul 2015 #225

The main reason we hear is 'he can't win' AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #229

If it's just an "excuse", explain clearly how he campaigns and wins a national election. brooklynite Jul 2015 #231

It's a generic excuse AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #233

That was a great break down showing how far right WDIM Jul 2015 #230