What on Earth do I find about the Senator's current positions that run counter to (Reply #258)

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258. What on Earth do I find about the Senator's current positions that run counter to

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, or display evolution in, his earlier positions?

His focus on economic justice ... granted, he has made (mostly) the correct and supportive votes over the years; but, then again, so have just about all Democrats, certainly all of the Democratic candidates.

But I DO know that Dr. King recognized that the policies that held the black man down for so long had essentially the same effect on poor white folk, too. I know that the sanitation union that he was in Memphis to march with when he was murdered had both black and white membership (although, only white guys were allowed in the CAB of the garbage truck).

Would you please stop re-writing history ... Please. I know the myth being told ... but it does not comport with history. Here is a link to the speech he gave in Memphis in support of the Union.

http://www.afscme.org/union/history/mlk/ive-been-to-the-mountaintop-by-dr-martin-luther-king-jr

Please point to a single line that would suggest that he was there for the white garbage truck drivers or the white haulers; rather than, the 1,300 Black trash haulers ... striking after the deaths of two Black haulers killed because the city rules forbade black employees to seek shelter from rain anywhere but in the back of their compressor trucks, with the garbage.

Hell, point to a single line that even mentions poor white folks!

Can you give me an example of a policy that would decrease income inequality for poor whites ONLY, and would not simultaneously improve the black man's lot in life?

Sure ... Raising the Minimum wage would decrease income inequality (we are told) for poor whites as a class; but, would still leave poor Black people in the same relative position.

Bernie's "current economic focus" is to create the rising tide that lifts all boats. But his OVERALL focus is to create a real, grassroots Progressive movement like this country has never seen before.

Agreed; but, the problem is ... Black folks have been saying, "That's fine and al good; but, it would be helpful if we had a boat."

Because he's not going to be able to do what he wants to get done with a Congress like the one we've got now. If ANY Democrat is going to have a successful Presidency from 2016 - 2024, we're going to have to give him (or her) a Senate and a House that he (or she) can work with. Not like this ship of fools Obama has suffered with.

I completely, and absolutely, agree.

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Kos: A Black Man's take on NN/BLM dustup: "Black Folks No on Bernie? Really?" [View all]	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	OP
Hells yeah!	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#1
I fought, in a coalition of many activist groups,	Luminous Animal	Jul 2015	#2
It's a punitive, disgusting law. There's not any provision for training, just time out after 5 yrs	PatrickforO	Jul 2015	#76
Seriously, why can’t we bring CETA back?	dorkzilla	Jul 2015	#83
Hi, Dork! I suspect you've heard of the new Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act	PatrickforO	Jul 2015	#97
that's a step in the right direction--if the actually do it.	dorkzilla	Jul 2015	#109
+1000 nt	Mojorabbit	Jul 2015	#103
Yes. "For any thinking Black person to say Hillary is better for Black folks than Bernie is	Zorra	Jul 2015	#3
I think the random Black guy(?) liberalminded ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#15
He also said: "You can't have capitalism without racism"	shaayecanaan	Jul 2015	#18
I have researched it and cannot find where he actually said that "quote" ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#26
Wikiquote has the wrong page number for Malcom X Speaks.	Scootaloo	Jul 2015	#52
Could / would you post a link?	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#64
Here's the text from an Amazon sample	Scootaloo	Jul 2015	#80
Thank you. I will look into it ... Until then, I stand corrected. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#187
he willfully ignores, disregards, and is in deep deep denial on that point.	2banon	Jul 2015	#38
Not me. I'm for the democratic socialist!	PatrickforO	Jul 2015	#82
LOL! No. Not You! :)	2banon	Jul 2015	#85
I just read something similar in a book, however,	gollygee	Jul 2015	#65
Indeed, it is a form of racism. The Haves and Have Nots.	Joe Chi Minh	Jul 2015	#245
America's entire Foreign policy is racist. Just like our old Imperial allies.	sabrina 1	Jul 2015	#238
Yep!	Left coast liberal	Jul 2015	#4
K&R	pa28	Jul 2015	#5
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2015	#6
Great diary	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#7
Great catch. Thank you, I changed the link to the article in question	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#9
"a few ostensibly Black diarists/commenters"...	OilemFirchen	Jul 2015	#8
I felt a lot of what we were seeing were "Hill People" piling on, all	brewens	Jul 2015	#10
some DUers were just appalled by the tactic	Skittles	Jul 2015	#22
This site has a good list	Marrah_G	Jul 2015	#11
Awesome resource, thanks. -nt-	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#12
Let me ask you ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#13
+1000	sheshe2	Jul 2015	#14
I was about to say...	wyldwolf	Jul 2015	#16
You're saying there's only one right answer, and you hold it.	DisgustipatedinCA	Jul 2015	#17
No ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#19
You have some stats to back your assertion?	PowerToThePeople	Jul 2015	#32
Of course I do ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#41
Good.	PowerToThePeople	Jul 2015	#42
Hey, self appointed voice of all black Americans, izzat you?!!	elehhhhna	Jul 2015	#40
+1	L0oniX	Jul 2015	#127
Funny you mention that	LordGlenconner	Jul 2015	#231
What about Oliver Willis?	Babel_17	Jul 2015	#130
What about him? n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#135
Challenges your argument regarding "The Random Black Guy"	Babel_17	Jul 2015	#144
Yes ... though having a TV show does amplify that minority opinion. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#161
And many poc here that don't hold your opinion	marym625	Jul 2015	#175
I'm confused	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#20
He's a leader, goddammit	shaayecanaan	Jul 2015	#25
I see...	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#30
I am involved, deeply, in community service that puts me in close contact with Black folks ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#37
dude listen	d_r	Jul 2015	#66
Thanks for the advice ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#71
Range Rovers are horrible cars.	abelenkpe	Jul 2015	#111
That's what I've been told ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#113
Just let him buy the damn car	shaayecanaan	Jul 2015	#143
I drive a 2010 Toyota Yaris	shaayecanaan	Jul 2015	#121
Congratulations!!! You win the Anonymous Internet Activist of the Year, DU Edition...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#132
No more anonymous than you, friend (nt)	shaayecanaan	Jul 2015	#142
No ... I am only a random guy on the internet, as well ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#29
Yeah?	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#31
And the "rules for an online forum" don't dictate discernible reality. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#43
Neither do you. n/t	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#46
I know that polling data suggests that Hillary has a wide lead so far over Bernie with AA,	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#39
Magic ... Low Information Voters ... n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#45
We gotta go there?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#49
Since HRC is so vague on policy	PowerToThePeople	Jul 2015	#57
True. n/t	senz	Jul 2015	#217
Sorry ... I'm just repeating what I have been told. ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#128
Thanks.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#131
This ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#136
According to the polls Donald Trump is the republican front runner-what does that say about polls?	luvspeas	Jul 2015	#203
Sure. But you have not explained why polls mean the OP should not post what he or she wants to post	merrily	Jul 2015	#171
See Post #173. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#184
Did. It's not responsive to my question and also an unwarranted slur on the OP. See Post # 188.	merrily	Jul 2015	#189
"Mainstream of Black thought"	shaayecanaan	Jul 2015	#21
Good question. There is not. White people (I am one, so I can say this) have a pretty wide	PatrickforO	Jul 2015	#93
Yes ... there is a mainstream of thought for every sub-population ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#133
Why are you so intent on silencing another brother's voice?	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#23
There you go: "poor people of all color".	JaneyVee	Jul 2015	#27
I can't speak for African Americans. No way.	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#36
I have been poor, too ... AND I have been Black, all my life ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#53
Here "There you go..."	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#60
It's like the PUMA crowd realized they couldn't wave the sexism card around	Exultant Democracy	Jul 2015	#55
+100 nt	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#62
+1	beam me up scottie	Jul 2015	#99
+1	ybbor	Jul 2015	#124
hear, hear	grasswire	Jul 2015	#219
+1	senz	Jul 2015	#225
It's an attempt to separate poor white from poor black.	zeemike	Jul 2015	#69
Wouldn't that be racism that dividing poor whites from poor Blacks? ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#134
And not the acknowledgment that there are racial issues that CAN be solved by economic ones?	zeemike	Jul 2015	#148
What are these racial problems serve be solved through economics? ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#162
Because a lot of racial bigotry is economic.	zeemike	Jul 2015	#165
"Some issues are not about economics, some are issues of race." < That's what plantation owners and	jtuck004	Jul 2015	#61
Middle class and wealthy people of color also suffer from racism.	gollygee	Jul 2015	#63
If you say so. n/t	jtuck004	Jul 2015	#72
They get pulled over by police more often, they're more likely to get arrested	gollygee	Jul 2015	#75
If you put your blinders on and only look at that incident, conventiently, poof, it's all	jtuck004	Jul 2015	#86
Obviously poor black people get discriminated against doubly	gollygee	Jul 2015	#88
If you say so. btw - repeating doesn't make you any more compelling, lol. Take care. n/t	jtuck004	Jul 2015	#91
"If you say so" doesn't make you sound less willfully ignorant. n/t	gollygee	Jul 2015	#92
Not willful ignorance if the author has nothing useful or new, or particularly accurate. Just good	jtuck004	Jul 2015	#94
You are very wrong.	kwassa	Jul 2015	#140
What color and political party were the people turning over school buses when I was	jtuck004	Jul 2015	#147
So let me give you an opportunity to provide how any historian	jtuck004	Jul 2015	#249
Indeed, ask Chris Rock if rich black people are immune from racism.	arcane1	Jul 2015	#89
I was going to say the same thing	ybbor	Jul 2015	#125
Well ... If he just had economic parity with his white neighbors ... n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#163
And Obama does nothing to stop him from being pulled over again n/t	arcane1	Jul 2015	#192
True ... And? n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#194
It's not too late for him to do something.	arcane1	Jul 2015	#195
True. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#197
Obviously spoken by someone who has never driven a BMW while black. Switched to a prius	Exultant Democracy	Jul 2015	#115
LOL ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#118
That sucks. I really don't know what else to say. That really sucks.	GoneFishin	Jul 2015	#145
Have read you for a while	Rilgin	Jul 2015	#153
I have met many wise white people ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#164
'However, then I read your posts in this thread and had to laugh.I find it absolutely incredible	Joe Chi Minh	Jul 2015	#242
Very true.	blackspade	Jul 2015	#138
WTF?	Comrade Grumpy	Jul 2015	#137
"Dancing in a minefield" with a bottle of whiskey.	Eleanors38	Jul 2015	#240
No shit, good question. We were told the same thing by Clinton supporters in 2007	Exultant Democracy	Jul 2015	#28
+1	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#44
I can't help but wonder how many of the staunch Hillary supporters	passiveporcupine	Jul 2015	#95
First ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#50
You are the one claiming to be speak for "mainstream African Americans", not me.	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#58
You have nothing for which to apologize. Lots of articles posted do not	merrily	Jul 2015	#172
"So, as a Person of Color ... Please stop!" is not trying to silence anyone?	Exultant Democracy	Jul 2015	#59
Hear here! nt.	druidity33	Jul 2015	#117
No! To be clear, I have no problem with Black folks that support Bernie, and/or hate HRC ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#173
Because he supports Hillary	AgingAmerican	Jul 2015	#159
I do not support HRC ... I have said, time and again, I am undecided ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#174
It's pretty obvious	AgingAmerican	Jul 2015	#185
You know what is pretty obvious? ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#186
This will go over their heads but still get 100 recs.	JaneyVee	Jul 2015	#24
Yes our blackness as a condition of approval dependent on correct thought.	Exultant Democracy	Jul 2015	#33
See my Post #173. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#177
Y'all lose this brotha with the out of hand dismissal of historical context	KeepItReal	Jul 2015	#35
May I ask, why do you think Hillary is the better choice?	LiberalAndProud	Jul 2015	#73
I don't. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#78
Sometimes the only thing to say is	LiberalAndProud	Jul 2015	#84
Then why on earth would you want to censor voices like this?	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#98
Disagreeing is not censoring. nt	SunSeeker	Jul 2015	#146
True	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#149
A strong opposing position can feel that way.	SunSeeker	Jul 2015	#150
Well I guess it all good then. n/t	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#152
See Post #173. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#178
I have two questions, but since other people beat me to the first one, here's the second	Scootaloo	Jul 2015	#87
See Post #173. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#179
Thank you so much, 1StrongBlackMan! BlackTwitter was Not impressed with bernie	Cha	Jul 2015	#102
What is BlackTwitter?	blackspade	Jul 2015	#166
Nailed it.	zappaman	Jul 2015	#129
+1	bravenak	Jul 2015	#154
This message was self-deleted by its author	AgingAmerican	Jul 2015	#160
Wow.	merrily	Jul 2015	#170
See Post #173. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#180
Your post 173 does not respond to what I posted to you.	merrily	Jul 2015	#188
Okay. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#190
...	merrily	Jul 2015	#191
okay ... even more. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#193
It's all they have to go on...	luvspeas	Jul 2015	#202
This message was self-deleted by its author	savalez	Jul 2015	#205
I would note that some of the most angry tweets I've seen about Bernie online from black tweeters	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#34
B.S. nt	Stellar	Jul 2015	#48
You think they were lying in their tweets?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#56
Can you share those tweets with me?	Stellar	Jul 2015	#106
I'm not really twitter savvy. I've tweeted exactly once	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#114
Now I can definitely understand that.	Stellar	Jul 2015	#119
I'm cursing the heck out of twitter right now.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#120
this is a big thing	JI7	Jul 2015	#54
Well, the claim going around the Internet is that Clinton has "cred" on race.	jeff47	Jul 2015	#101
I don't read every twitter account of every black person out there.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#108
Neither do I. I'm just giving one set of reasons people assume Clinton support.	jeff47	Jul 2015	#110
Who they voting for then? nt.	druidity33	Jul 2015	#122
No idea.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#126
You noticed! It happens here all the time. See Post # 159. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#181
That sound like something from the Clinton campaign to me.	Stellar	Jul 2015	#47
I think this is probably the weakest issue for all three of them	gollygee	Jul 2015	#51
This message was self-deleted by its author	Dr Hobbitstein	Jul 2015	#67
How is disregarding and invalidating	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#70
I just realized what I thought I read	Dr Hobbitstein	Jul 2015	#79
Fair enough n/t	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#81
I am not disregarding or invalidating the Diarist's opinion ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#183
The question was directed at Dr Hobbitstein's self-deleted post	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#199
I'm going to leave it to you to decipher what I have said ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#209
Thanks for the pretty	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#218
The cop out is refusing/pretending to understand something ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#223
I have tons of empathy	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#224
Funny ... Nor do I. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#229
DING DING DING	randys1	Jul 2015	#201
And, EVERYONE sees it when the right does it ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#210
Yep. I learned a long time ago that as much as people like Ben Carson or CLARENCE	randys1	Jul 2015	#212
Interesting that you see this ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#214
We dont have to compete fairly, we dont have to apologize and we dont have to	randys1	Jul 2015	#215
Please explain how posting this opinion is	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#222
LOL ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#226
Well	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#227
Well ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#230
It's been used by you	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#233
Yeah ... Okay. Good day. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#236
The truth	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#237
Yeah ... I know. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#239
Jesus man	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#221
Unbelievably ironic	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#220
Damn it must be hard damned work to twist this sh!t ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#228
It doesn't have me confused	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#232
Read what I wrote ... better yet, don't ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#234
I read it	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#235
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!	WillyT	Jul 2015	#68
That put some things in perspective	heaven05	Jul 2015	#74
Hillary is the only one I'm sure I don't want	heaven05	Jul 2015	#77
Why was Admiral Loinpresser's post hidden?	beam me up scottie	Jul 2015	#90
Sorry I do not know. it must have happened pretty fast	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#104
Can't respond to the hidden post so I thought I'd throw it out there.	beam me up scottie	Jul 2015	#107
Rhetorical question? nt	Zorra	Jul 2015	#105
;)	beam me up scottie	Jul 2015	#112
This is OT, but that is one of the funniest names on DU as far as I'm concerned.	Ed Suspicious	Jul 2015	#155
I giggle a little every time I see it.	beam me up scottie	Jul 2015	#157
hence the two halves of my sigline!	MisterP	Jul 2015	#96
Sounds like some in the media are trying to drive wedges between Bernie and African-American voters	forest444	Jul 2015	#100
Imaginary conspiracies.	kwassa	Jul 2015	#141
Oh come on. Politics is real. Dirty politics is absolutely real. Follow the money, mang.	Ed Suspicious	Jul 2015	#156
been watching the discussion and some of the footage	greenman3610	Jul 2015	#116
I'm still believing we can get through with this nonsense	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#139
It's come to this (and about time)	tea and oranges	Jul 2015	#123
I agree with much of what you say, yet Bernie has NOTHING to apologize for on civil rights. Nothing.	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#151
Perfect. +1	Ed Suspicious	Jul 2015	#158
+1000	blackspade	Jul 2015	#168
Thank you. Considering that most of the screeching is coming from the same cast of characters	corkhead	Jul 2015	#176
And I agree w/ you	tea and oranges	Jul 2015	#182
We white people need to know our history, accept reality, and work hard to fix the system	daybranch	Jul 2015	#167
Forget about that, black man. Let's talk about her, her husband, and their cheerleaders' racist	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#169
I just have to ask without being ................	turbinetree	Jul 2015	#198
Of course I think it's despicable, but Native Americans must realize that other minority	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jul 2015	#241
I Agree	lib87	Jul 2015	#206
condescending creeps	Skittles	Jul 2015	#251
Welfare DEFormed is a Travesty	mntleo2	Jul 2015	#196
Tell it!	kath	Jul 2015	#208
Imagine the extent of the damage she could inflict on the poor, elderly, and handicapped as POTUS.	Zorra	Jul 2015	#255
Strawman	uponit7771	Jul 2015	#200
maybe there should be a black candidate	6chars	Jul 2015	#204
He's in office right now. [n/t]	Maedhros	Jul 2015	#207
re: "His staff should have more Black people"	staggerleem	Jul 2015	#211
Did he/his team not think that his campaign would extend beyond Vermont ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#213
So you're asking Bernie's camp to get some tokens?	d_legendary1	Jul 2015	#243
Hey, Hillary is getting traction with it. n/t	whatchamacallit	Jul 2015	#244
And she didn't have to lift a finger	d_legendary1	Jul 2015	#246
Yeah! That's exactly what anyone could possibly. ..	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#248
No it wasn't but you are free to make up what you want. Just wait and see	sabrina 1	Jul 2015	#252
Thank you. I will ... Well, actually I am watching what is happening. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#254
I think you're missing my point here.	staggerleem	Jul 2015	#253
I understand the start-up nature of his campaign ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#256
Hang on, now -	staggerleem	Jul 2015	#257
What on Earth do I find about the Senator's current positions that run counter to	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#258
I just find this whole "If you think THIS Democrat candidate hates black people, check out this..."	LiberalLovinLug	Jul 2015	#216
This message was self-deleted by its author	Hatchling	Jul 2015	#247
"willfully ignorant of the reality"	Skittles	Jul 2015	#250

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