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ladjf

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134. Good post. Hammer these negative nellies.

Reply to 99th_Monkey (Reply #64)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:09 AM

Aug 2015

They've either got another agenda or they are simply cowards.

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Bernie Sanders Lobs A Crippling Blow At The Kochs With Bill To Publicly Fund Elections [View all] 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 OP

That silly old unicorn rancher whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #1

"Unicorn Rancher" 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #114

It's not a "crippling blow" if it has near 0 chance of passing. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #2

One really sure-fire way to get it passed 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #3

Even if Sanders gets elected President this isn't a "sure-fire" thing while PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #10

And how would you change that.... daleanime Aug 2015 #61

But don't forget----We have The Magical ***Third Way*** nikto Aug 2015 #84

Third Way is a policy advocacy group...it has never advocated for or against a candidate. brooklynite Aug 2015 #180

Your candidate can't run away from the DLC/third-way fast enough. delrem Aug 2015 #224

Of course it isn't. But, it's a hell ov a lot better than ladjf Aug 2015 #133

Please explain? procon Aug 2015 #21

Oh, I guess you are right 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #64

That's Sander's problem, right there. nt procon Aug 2015 #73

No, that's your problem 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #80

Its way to early to choose a candidate. procon Aug 2015 #100

Did you mean to say ... 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #105

Good post. Hammer these negative nellies. ladjf Aug 2015 #134

The only practical way to change Citizen United is to change the SCOTUS Gothmog Aug 2015 #165

I assume as well that Sanders will take the existing campaign financing... brooklynite Aug 2015 #181

I agree Gothmog Aug 2015 #183

Citizens United does not have to be overturned in order to pass Publicly Funded Elections. PotatoChip Aug 2015 #193

So long as the GOP controls the House, there will be such bill Gothmog Aug 2015 #194

Did you read my last sentence? PotatoChip Aug 2015 #195

By using the bully pulpit to get a progressive congress in 2018. Scuba Aug 2015 #128

How does that go? procon Aug 2015 #148

Please explain? AlbertCat Aug 2015 #207

An explanation might include some details beyond a simple declaration. procon Aug 2015 #219

don't know the answers yet. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #222

Probably like any other president. procon Aug 2015 #228

Bernie Sanders wouldn't become a Dictator if he were to get himself elected, moobu2 Aug 2015 #66

No one has EVER said it's going to be easy-peasy 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #68

The guy in post 3 said the sure fire way to get this passed is to elect Sanders mythology Aug 2015 #198

Bernie is a crafty fellow 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #199

Why are you using right wing talking points? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #129

You're right. LEt's just give up, roll over and take it like the ladjf Aug 2015 #135

And what are you going to do to try to change this? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #4

So, since it has zero chance of passing, we just ought to ladjf Aug 2015 #132

Has Sanders got any of his legislative proposal passed into law? Gothmog Aug 2015 #163

Who else would suggest it, no insider with all the right connections , Ha ? orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #201

People underestimate Sanders. He's dumb like a Fox. libdem4life Aug 2015 #5

+10 ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #6

It won't even give them a zit okasha Aug 2015 #7

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Sanders has a tail like a duck. okasha Aug 2015 #26

You say Bernie couldn't get any of his bills passed except a couple to name senz Aug 2015 #115

That Youth jobs provision had co-sponsors, you know. It wasn't a bill, it was an amendment MADem Aug 2015 #123

I like the way you delve into a subject, MADem. Bernie has co-sponsored many bills in the Senate. senz Aug 2015 #140

He is a good guy, and thank you for illustrating my point so clearly. MADem Aug 2015 #182

Given that both houses are in Republican hands, senz Aug 2015 #184

No one is holding Sen. Sanders' 'goodness' against him. MADem Aug 2015 #185

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, MADem senz Aug 2015 #191

They need to watch their six, though! MADem Aug 2015 #192

"Senate Passes Sanders-McCain Veterans Bill" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #225

Thank you for again illustrating my point. That is not what the President signed. MADem Aug 2015 #230

Hillary has a train like a peacock. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #138

Simile--it's a word. Look it up. okasha Aug 2015 #143

I know what Simile means, thank you. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #145

You missed the point. okasha Aug 2015 #205

Peacock's tail--long. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #208

Peacocks are the Kardashians of the bird world. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #211

Besides... druidity33 Aug 2015 #206

That's an excellent comparison, druidity33! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #210

I adore herons and egrets okasha Aug 2015 #212

Poor Bernie is long past the days of his nuptial plumage AlbertCat Aug 2015 #213

She's bald on top? okasha Aug 2015 #216

She's bald on top? AlbertCat Aug 2015 #220

She's not bald but she's grey on top. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #223

Now you're being ageist? Hill's no spring chicken either my dear. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #221

! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #204

That's a lie: Senate Passes Sanders-McCain Veterans Bill beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #227

Force Clinton to take a stand? Where have you been? JaneyVee Aug 2015 #32

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Here: JaneyVee Aug 2015 #54

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So why can't former Secretary, now private citizen, Clinton take a position now? Armstead Aug 2015 #59

Good question, Armstead. senz Aug 2015 #116

Have you heard about that thing called citizen activism? A concept starts from somewhere, Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #27

Oh, I've been fighting since my teens. okasha Aug 2015 #28

He's a lot "do"...It isn't his fault we have a corrupt Congress and... Armstead Aug 2015 #31

His legislative record is abysmal. okasha Aug 2015 #36

I repeat my post above and will add.... Armstead Aug 2015 #38

Yes, he can be blamed for his own ineptitude. okasha Aug 2015 #40

Oh whatver. Talking to anothr brick wall I guess Armstead Aug 2015 #41

Lol. okasha Aug 2015 #45

Lyndon Johnson was a master at it. How many of those exist? Armstead Aug 2015 #48

Johnson called politics "the art of the possible." okasha Aug 2015 #72

I don't think positive change is impossible...nor a miracle Armstead Aug 2015 #112

Progressives hated LBJ BlueStateLib Aug 2015 #85

Mostly because of the Viet nam War Armstead Aug 2015 #104

They hated him way before then. MADem Aug 2015 #174

I liked him. He had heart. senz Aug 2015 #120

Liberals --"progressives" were a mealy-mouthed thing of the future-- okasha Aug 2015 #209

Is that what Bernie said. He was holding out for juicy or significant legislation? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #42

Nothing will ever sound plausble to you so I'm not going to waste my time Armstead Aug 2015 #50

We can all make up stuff and offer opinions Sheepshank Aug 2015 #92

No that's not what is happening here Armstead Aug 2015 #101

So what evidence do,you have for your statement Sheepshank Aug 2015 #106

Yes he reveals his inner soul to me at our daily lunches Armstead Aug 2015 #127

Armstead, I don't know every bill Bernie has passed, but here are a couple... senz Aug 2015 #118

I showed you how false this is upthread. Now start telling the truth. senz Aug 2015 #117

No, you didn't. okasha Aug 2015 #142

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See reply #115 and #140. No fantasy, just facts. senz Aug 2015 #147

MADem has already explained this to you. okasha Aug 2015 #214

MADem was wrong: "Senate Passes Sanders-McCain Veterans Bill" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #226

No--I wasn't wrong. Look downthread. "Passing the Senate" does not mean "signed into law." MADem Aug 2015 #231

A lot of people don't understand that the controlling authority for anything involving appropriation MADem Aug 2015 #232

His legislative record is abysmal. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #215

How does he plan on getting the Republican majority in Congress to pass it? procon Aug 2015 #8

yup ibegurpard Aug 2015 #11

It's called "coat-tails" baby. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #13

That's not how our govt works, procon Aug 2015 #25

GOVRNMENT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE Armstead Aug 2015 #33

Still, its the only one we have at the moment. procon Aug 2015 #39

I don'lt share your fatalism and preference to perpetuate the problems Armstead Aug 2015 #44

What are you working toward if you exclude everyone who isn't procon Aug 2015 #62

I dont understand your opening statement Armstead Aug 2015 #71

+1000 nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #60

The article acknowledges that the proposed law couldn't require public funding or limit donations. pnwmom Aug 2015 #91

Not sure if it's this bill or a different one: dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #125

That's OUR job, baby. Self-governance isn't easy. senz Aug 2015 #119

Probably the same way he gets LWolf Aug 2015 #139

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their answer ibegurpard Aug 2015 #14

It doesn't matter which Dems support a bill if the Rs won't allow it to move. procon Aug 2015 #29

Everyone including Hillary is all for overturning CU. JaneyVee Aug 2015 #34

Clinton supporters, who are also Obama supporters remember. Sheepshank Aug 2015 #46

Yes conservatives have always hated the idea of publicly funded elections Armstead Aug 2015 #53

Well, God forbid, okasha Aug 2015 #78

her litmus test for any new SCOTUS justices AlbertCat Aug 2015 #218

Maybe I don't understand what publically funded elections means? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #96

My reflexive reply was in response to reflexive rejection of everything Bernie does Armstead Aug 2015 #130

Personally, I hate the idea of taxes paying for campaigns Sheepshank Aug 2015 #141

I posted article with more information in main thread Armstead Aug 2015 #161

We remember AlbertCat Aug 2015 #217

It will be interesting to see the details dsc Aug 2015 #12

That's why we need a constitutional amendment ibegurpard Aug 2015 #15

Yes for real public financing of campaigns a constitutional amendment would be needed. PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #19

But SCOTUS can. okasha Aug 2015 #30

How do you figure that? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #74

actually I doubt it dsc Aug 2015 #24

I guess we'll need to read the bill to find out 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #16

they aren't concerns they are what SCOTUS says (ie the way the law works in this country) dsc Aug 2015 #22

Decades of getting shit done?? JaneyVee Aug 2015 #35

You wish. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #47

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No, seriously. He has the least amount of bills passed... JaneyVee Aug 2015 #63

You are flatly stating something I have not heard before 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #67

Co-sponsored maybe, but that's something very different now isn't it? The implications is that Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #86

I see today's talking ;point is "he's so ineffective." Armstead Aug 2015 #55

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This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #89

As Andy Stephenson would say "Voter Verified Paper Ballots". Stop election rigging. nt Snotcicles Aug 2015 #18

Yeah! janlyn Aug 2015 #20

Why Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #23

now that he is conveniently running for president lol nt msongs Aug 2015 #37

Bernie's not running for POTUS at age 73 because it's "convenient" 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #58

Old "power hungry" Bernie? Old "personal ambition" Bernie? Sounds legit. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #102

LOL - I'm reminded of this pic of Bernie waiting for his plane 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #109

Well, that proves it, then. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #137

How is this a "crippling blow"....since the House will never pass it? brooklynite Aug 2015 #43

Sanders is the ONLY POTUS candidate who has pledged to ONLY appoint SC nominees 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #52

Try again...Clinton promised this two weeks before Sanders... brooklynite Aug 2015 #70

Do you have a link anywhere for that. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #75

Try this... brooklynite Aug 2015 #79

Thank you for the link 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #82

Hillary Clinton’s litmus test for Supreme Court nominees: a pledge to overturn Citizens United Gothmog Aug 2015 #167

Apparently you missed this 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #170

The only real difference on this issue between Sanders and Clinton is who can win in Nov. 2016 Gothmog Aug 2015 #171

Cool 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #177

That was my question frazzled Aug 2015 #57

You think Bernie is doing this because of the primary or what? moobu2 Aug 2015 #69

No 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #77

It has 0% chance of passing. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2015 #76

Wait. Let me guess ... 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #88

This reply isn't just for you but it is a common post by H supporters artislife Aug 2015 #149

No, I didn't say or imply that Hillary COULD get it through. Lil Missy Aug 2015 #150

Nevermind... artislife Aug 2015 #151

So I guess all the naysayers are just FINE, with the way things are! SoapBox Aug 2015 #81

"I can't think of anything else." NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #83

Apparently you can't either. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #95

Because it's easy to "introduce a bill" ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #97

And it's easy to trash a good man 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #99

Just pointing out the obvious ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #103

Yes 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #107

Exactly. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #108

That can be a very clever retort 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #110

What ev. n/t NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #111

From the article: "the potential legislation would not mandate public funding or limit donations." pnwmom Aug 2015 #87

How would this prevent the Kochs from spending money to buy ads? Recursion Aug 2015 #90

Both the Angels and the Devils are in the details. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #98

Good. Destroy the Koch Brothers NYCButterfinger Aug 2015 #93

I'm sure the Kochs are quaking in their boots tonight bluestateguy Aug 2015 #94

Perhaps 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #113

You do a wonderful job of getting the truth out, 99th_Monkey. senz Aug 2015 #121

aww 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #157

This is a showboat piece of legislation. It will go nowhere. Doesn't anyone understand how MADem Aug 2015 #122

Like Bernie is the only person who introduces such bills. No otehr "showboaters" in Congress? Armstead Aug 2015 #131

Who has made that claim? Please point out the person who says he's alone in doing this? MADem Aug 2015 #173

I got the same impression. procon Aug 2015 #159

Please see artucle at bottom of thread Armstead Aug 2015 #162

Kucinich did this in his last Presidential romp with the "Department of Peace" schtick. MADem Aug 2015 #176

Well, he did land a cushy job at Fox News Freddie Stubbs Aug 2015 #236

Yeah, but it's still so precious watching the SAME CROWD that demanded that Obama pound the podium Number23 Aug 2015 #196

I just get sad that so many people don't understand the basics...is the school system that bad? MADem Aug 2015 #197

the SAME CROWD that demanded that Obama pound the podium AlbertCat Aug 2015 #200

If you can see all of this crying and whining and STILL not realize that pounding podiums Number23 Aug 2015 #229

I've posted Only a Bill here BainsBane Aug 2015 #233

The people getting angry at me need to understand the purpose of Ways and Means. Hell, you'd think MADem Aug 2015 #234

Yes silenttigersong Aug 2015 #124

Reccing for pissing off all the right people, both in Washington and here on DU. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #126

You're most welcome beam me 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #155

brooklynite is much better informed than your average GD-P Bernie Basher. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #203

Sanders is, as Sanders does Babel_17 Aug 2015 #136

write that bill and please push it now, Senator Sanders. even if they table it, please push it now. Sunlei Aug 2015 #144

lol - keep 'em coming Bernie! Remind voters what a democracy looks like. polichick Aug 2015 #152

Who would've guessed this would cause such a controversy here? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #153

Better we all suffer whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #154

+10 ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #156

It is pretty amazing how the ground shifts....Often to the right Armstead Aug 2015 #186

outstanding. Now Let's watch the Turd Way Club & their Repukes Comrades block or vote against it 2banon Aug 2015 #158

Here's more details Armstead Aug 2015 #160

Thank you - bookmarked. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #166

Perhaps people would take this more seriously if the headline wasn't so ridiculous Freddie Stubbs Aug 2015 #164

Agreed-this is not a game changer as to the primary process Gothmog Aug 2015 #168

The article is a tidbit of news wrapped in bloviating opinion--apparently the listed "author" MADem Aug 2015 #175

I am very glad he lobbed a crippling blow to them before the election. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #169

Yea that's really going to pass in the house and senate. FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #172

And we're all going to die eventualy, so why bother with anything? Armstead Aug 2015 #189

Even if the bill passed (.0000001% chance), it would do nothing taught_me_patience Aug 2015 #178

Sure...Well then let's never try to fix anything. Armstead Aug 2015 #188

Um, the KOCH Brothers DON'T fund elections... brooklynite Aug 2015 #179

I assume you've never heard of steps and processes Armstead Aug 2015 #187

I have no objection to TRYING... brooklynite Aug 2015 #190

The steps and procrsses okasha Aug 2015 #237

Well one step to that is gatting rid of the corrupt congresscritters.. Armstead Aug 2015 #238

Maybe I'm dense but why would the Kochs be the virgogal Aug 2015 #202

The Koch's are Sanders' foil for everything BainsBane Aug 2015 #235