2016 Postmortem

artislife

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149. This reply isn't just for you but it is a common post by H supporters

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:44 AM

Aug 2015

It is sort of the answer---it won't pass...or...the republican congress will block it...good luck with trying to find a coalition...

Can you see why that is troubling when the implication is that Hillary will get things through congress.

If none of the other components change, what is she able to get through?

It doesn't sound like it will be anything that a progressive will rally behind. We had a lot of compromises in the original Clinton presidency, and they really hurt the 99%

This may be why many who don't support H just brush these comments aside. We don't just want to pass anything to get a pass, we want to pass something important.

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Bernie Sanders Lobs A Crippling Blow At The Kochs With Bill To Publicly Fund Elections [View all] 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 OP

That silly old unicorn rancher whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #1

"Unicorn Rancher" 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #114

It's not a "crippling blow" if it has near 0 chance of passing. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #2

One really sure-fire way to get it passed 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #3

Even if Sanders gets elected President this isn't a "sure-fire" thing while PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #10

And how would you change that.... daleanime Aug 2015 #61

But don't forget----We have The Magical ***Third Way*** nikto Aug 2015 #84

Third Way is a policy advocacy group...it has never advocated for or against a candidate. brooklynite Aug 2015 #180

Your candidate can't run away from the DLC/third-way fast enough. delrem Aug 2015 #224

Of course it isn't. But, it's a hell ov a lot better than ladjf Aug 2015 #133

Please explain? procon Aug 2015 #21

Oh, I guess you are right 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #64

That's Sander's problem, right there. nt procon Aug 2015 #73

No, that's your problem 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #80

Its way to early to choose a candidate. procon Aug 2015 #100

Did you mean to say ... 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #105

Good post. Hammer these negative nellies. ladjf Aug 2015 #134

The only practical way to change Citizen United is to change the SCOTUS Gothmog Aug 2015 #165

I assume as well that Sanders will take the existing campaign financing... brooklynite Aug 2015 #181

I agree Gothmog Aug 2015 #183

Citizens United does not have to be overturned in order to pass Publicly Funded Elections. PotatoChip Aug 2015 #193

So long as the GOP controls the House, there will be such bill Gothmog Aug 2015 #194

Did you read my last sentence? PotatoChip Aug 2015 #195

By using the bully pulpit to get a progressive congress in 2018. Scuba Aug 2015 #128

How does that go? procon Aug 2015 #148

Please explain? AlbertCat Aug 2015 #207

An explanation might include some details beyond a simple declaration. procon Aug 2015 #219

don't know the answers yet. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #222

Probably like any other president. procon Aug 2015 #228

Bernie Sanders wouldn't become a Dictator if he were to get himself elected, moobu2 Aug 2015 #66

No one has EVER said it's going to be easy-peasy 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #68

The guy in post 3 said the sure fire way to get this passed is to elect Sanders mythology Aug 2015 #198

Bernie is a crafty fellow 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #199

Why are you using right wing talking points? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #129

You're right. LEt's just give up, roll over and take it like the ladjf Aug 2015 #135

And what are you going to do to try to change this? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #4

So, since it has zero chance of passing, we just ought to ladjf Aug 2015 #132

Has Sanders got any of his legislative proposal passed into law? Gothmog Aug 2015 #163

Who else would suggest it, no insider with all the right connections , Ha ? orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #201

People underestimate Sanders. He's dumb like a Fox. libdem4life Aug 2015 #5

+10 ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #6

It won't even give them a zit okasha Aug 2015 #7

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #17

Sanders has a tail like a duck. okasha Aug 2015 #26

You say Bernie couldn't get any of his bills passed except a couple to name senz Aug 2015 #115

That Youth jobs provision had co-sponsors, you know. It wasn't a bill, it was an amendment MADem Aug 2015 #123

I like the way you delve into a subject, MADem. Bernie has co-sponsored many bills in the Senate. senz Aug 2015 #140

He is a good guy, and thank you for illustrating my point so clearly. MADem Aug 2015 #182

Given that both houses are in Republican hands, senz Aug 2015 #184

No one is holding Sen. Sanders' 'goodness' against him. MADem Aug 2015 #185

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, MADem senz Aug 2015 #191

They need to watch their six, though! MADem Aug 2015 #192

"Senate Passes Sanders-McCain Veterans Bill" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #225

Thank you for again illustrating my point. That is not what the President signed. MADem Aug 2015 #230

Hillary has a train like a peacock. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #138

Simile--it's a word. Look it up. okasha Aug 2015 #143

I know what Simile means, thank you. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #145

You missed the point. okasha Aug 2015 #205

Peacock's tail--long. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #208

Peacocks are the Kardashians of the bird world. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #211

Besides... druidity33 Aug 2015 #206

That's an excellent comparison, druidity33! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #210

I adore herons and egrets okasha Aug 2015 #212

Poor Bernie is long past the days of his nuptial plumage AlbertCat Aug 2015 #213

She's bald on top? okasha Aug 2015 #216

She's bald on top? AlbertCat Aug 2015 #220

She's not bald but she's grey on top. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #223

Now you're being ageist? Hill's no spring chicken either my dear. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #221

! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #204

That's a lie: Senate Passes Sanders-McCain Veterans Bill beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #227

Force Clinton to take a stand? Where have you been? JaneyVee Aug 2015 #32

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Here: JaneyVee Aug 2015 #54

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So why can't former Secretary, now private citizen, Clinton take a position now? Armstead Aug 2015 #59

Good question, Armstead. senz Aug 2015 #116

Have you heard about that thing called citizen activism? A concept starts from somewhere, Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #27

Oh, I've been fighting since my teens. okasha Aug 2015 #28

He's a lot "do"...It isn't his fault we have a corrupt Congress and... Armstead Aug 2015 #31

His legislative record is abysmal. okasha Aug 2015 #36

I repeat my post above and will add.... Armstead Aug 2015 #38

Yes, he can be blamed for his own ineptitude. okasha Aug 2015 #40

Oh whatver. Talking to anothr brick wall I guess Armstead Aug 2015 #41

Lol. okasha Aug 2015 #45

Lyndon Johnson was a master at it. How many of those exist? Armstead Aug 2015 #48

Johnson called politics "the art of the possible." okasha Aug 2015 #72

I don't think positive change is impossible...nor a miracle Armstead Aug 2015 #112

Progressives hated LBJ BlueStateLib Aug 2015 #85

Mostly because of the Viet nam War Armstead Aug 2015 #104

They hated him way before then. MADem Aug 2015 #174

I liked him. He had heart. senz Aug 2015 #120

Liberals --"progressives" were a mealy-mouthed thing of the future-- okasha Aug 2015 #209

Is that what Bernie said. He was holding out for juicy or significant legislation? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #42

Nothing will ever sound plausble to you so I'm not going to waste my time Armstead Aug 2015 #50

We can all make up stuff and offer opinions Sheepshank Aug 2015 #92

No that's not what is happening here Armstead Aug 2015 #101

So what evidence do,you have for your statement Sheepshank Aug 2015 #106

Yes he reveals his inner soul to me at our daily lunches Armstead Aug 2015 #127

Armstead, I don't know every bill Bernie has passed, but here are a couple... senz Aug 2015 #118

I showed you how false this is upthread. Now start telling the truth. senz Aug 2015 #117

No, you didn't. okasha Aug 2015 #142

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See reply #115 and #140. No fantasy, just facts. senz Aug 2015 #147

MADem has already explained this to you. okasha Aug 2015 #214

MADem was wrong: "Senate Passes Sanders-McCain Veterans Bill" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #226

No--I wasn't wrong. Look downthread. "Passing the Senate" does not mean "signed into law." MADem Aug 2015 #231

A lot of people don't understand that the controlling authority for anything involving appropriation MADem Aug 2015 #232

His legislative record is abysmal. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #215

How does he plan on getting the Republican majority in Congress to pass it? procon Aug 2015 #8

yup ibegurpard Aug 2015 #11

It's called "coat-tails" baby. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #13

That's not how our govt works, procon Aug 2015 #25

GOVRNMENT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE Armstead Aug 2015 #33

Still, its the only one we have at the moment. procon Aug 2015 #39

I don'lt share your fatalism and preference to perpetuate the problems Armstead Aug 2015 #44

What are you working toward if you exclude everyone who isn't procon Aug 2015 #62

I dont understand your opening statement Armstead Aug 2015 #71

+1000 nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #60

The article acknowledges that the proposed law couldn't require public funding or limit donations. pnwmom Aug 2015 #91

Not sure if it's this bill or a different one: dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #125

That's OUR job, baby. Self-governance isn't easy. senz Aug 2015 #119

Probably the same way he gets LWolf Aug 2015 #139

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their answer ibegurpard Aug 2015 #14

It doesn't matter which Dems support a bill if the Rs won't allow it to move. procon Aug 2015 #29

Everyone including Hillary is all for overturning CU. JaneyVee Aug 2015 #34

Clinton supporters, who are also Obama supporters remember. Sheepshank Aug 2015 #46

Yes conservatives have always hated the idea of publicly funded elections Armstead Aug 2015 #53

Well, God forbid, okasha Aug 2015 #78

her litmus test for any new SCOTUS justices AlbertCat Aug 2015 #218

Maybe I don't understand what publically funded elections means? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #96

My reflexive reply was in response to reflexive rejection of everything Bernie does Armstead Aug 2015 #130

Personally, I hate the idea of taxes paying for campaigns Sheepshank Aug 2015 #141

I posted article with more information in main thread Armstead Aug 2015 #161

We remember AlbertCat Aug 2015 #217

It will be interesting to see the details dsc Aug 2015 #12

That's why we need a constitutional amendment ibegurpard Aug 2015 #15

Yes for real public financing of campaigns a constitutional amendment would be needed. PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #19

But SCOTUS can. okasha Aug 2015 #30

How do you figure that? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #74

actually I doubt it dsc Aug 2015 #24

I guess we'll need to read the bill to find out 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #16

they aren't concerns they are what SCOTUS says (ie the way the law works in this country) dsc Aug 2015 #22

Decades of getting shit done?? JaneyVee Aug 2015 #35

You wish. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #47

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No, seriously. He has the least amount of bills passed... JaneyVee Aug 2015 #63

You are flatly stating something I have not heard before 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #67

Co-sponsored maybe, but that's something very different now isn't it? The implications is that Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #86

I see today's talking ;point is "he's so ineffective." Armstead Aug 2015 #55

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This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #89

As Andy Stephenson would say "Voter Verified Paper Ballots". Stop election rigging. nt Snotcicles Aug 2015 #18

Yeah! janlyn Aug 2015 #20

Why Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #23

now that he is conveniently running for president lol nt msongs Aug 2015 #37

Bernie's not running for POTUS at age 73 because it's "convenient" 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #58

Old "power hungry" Bernie? Old "personal ambition" Bernie? Sounds legit. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #102

LOL - I'm reminded of this pic of Bernie waiting for his plane 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #109

Well, that proves it, then. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #137

How is this a "crippling blow"....since the House will never pass it? brooklynite Aug 2015 #43

Sanders is the ONLY POTUS candidate who has pledged to ONLY appoint SC nominees 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #52

Try again...Clinton promised this two weeks before Sanders... brooklynite Aug 2015 #70

Do you have a link anywhere for that. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #75

Try this... brooklynite Aug 2015 #79

Thank you for the link 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #82

Hillary Clinton’s litmus test for Supreme Court nominees: a pledge to overturn Citizens United Gothmog Aug 2015 #167

Apparently you missed this 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #170

The only real difference on this issue between Sanders and Clinton is who can win in Nov. 2016 Gothmog Aug 2015 #171

Cool 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #177

That was my question frazzled Aug 2015 #57

You think Bernie is doing this because of the primary or what? moobu2 Aug 2015 #69

No 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #77

It has 0% chance of passing. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2015 #76

Wait. Let me guess ... 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #88

This reply isn't just for you but it is a common post by H supporters artislife Aug 2015 #149

No, I didn't say or imply that Hillary COULD get it through. Lil Missy Aug 2015 #150

Nevermind... artislife Aug 2015 #151

So I guess all the naysayers are just FINE, with the way things are! SoapBox Aug 2015 #81

"I can't think of anything else." NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #83

Apparently you can't either. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #95

Because it's easy to "introduce a bill" ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #97

And it's easy to trash a good man 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #99

Just pointing out the obvious ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #103

Yes 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #107

Exactly. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #108

That can be a very clever retort 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #110

What ev. n/t NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #111

From the article: "the potential legislation would not mandate public funding or limit donations." pnwmom Aug 2015 #87

How would this prevent the Kochs from spending money to buy ads? Recursion Aug 2015 #90

Both the Angels and the Devils are in the details. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #98

Good. Destroy the Koch Brothers NYCButterfinger Aug 2015 #93

I'm sure the Kochs are quaking in their boots tonight bluestateguy Aug 2015 #94

Perhaps 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #113

You do a wonderful job of getting the truth out, 99th_Monkey. senz Aug 2015 #121

aww 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #157

This is a showboat piece of legislation. It will go nowhere. Doesn't anyone understand how MADem Aug 2015 #122

Like Bernie is the only person who introduces such bills. No otehr "showboaters" in Congress? Armstead Aug 2015 #131

Who has made that claim? Please point out the person who says he's alone in doing this? MADem Aug 2015 #173

I got the same impression. procon Aug 2015 #159

Please see artucle at bottom of thread Armstead Aug 2015 #162

Kucinich did this in his last Presidential romp with the "Department of Peace" schtick. MADem Aug 2015 #176

Well, he did land a cushy job at Fox News Freddie Stubbs Aug 2015 #236

Yeah, but it's still so precious watching the SAME CROWD that demanded that Obama pound the podium Number23 Aug 2015 #196

I just get sad that so many people don't understand the basics...is the school system that bad? MADem Aug 2015 #197

the SAME CROWD that demanded that Obama pound the podium AlbertCat Aug 2015 #200

If you can see all of this crying and whining and STILL not realize that pounding podiums Number23 Aug 2015 #229

I've posted Only a Bill here BainsBane Aug 2015 #233

The people getting angry at me need to understand the purpose of Ways and Means. Hell, you'd think MADem Aug 2015 #234

Yes silenttigersong Aug 2015 #124

Reccing for pissing off all the right people, both in Washington and here on DU. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #126

You're most welcome beam me 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #155

brooklynite is much better informed than your average GD-P Bernie Basher. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #203

Sanders is, as Sanders does Babel_17 Aug 2015 #136

write that bill and please push it now, Senator Sanders. even if they table it, please push it now. Sunlei Aug 2015 #144

lol - keep 'em coming Bernie! Remind voters what a democracy looks like. polichick Aug 2015 #152

Who would've guessed this would cause such a controversy here? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #153

Better we all suffer whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #154

+10 ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #156

It is pretty amazing how the ground shifts....Often to the right Armstead Aug 2015 #186

outstanding. Now Let's watch the Turd Way Club & their Repukes Comrades block or vote against it 2banon Aug 2015 #158

Here's more details Armstead Aug 2015 #160

Thank you - bookmarked. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #166

Perhaps people would take this more seriously if the headline wasn't so ridiculous Freddie Stubbs Aug 2015 #164

Agreed-this is not a game changer as to the primary process Gothmog Aug 2015 #168

The article is a tidbit of news wrapped in bloviating opinion--apparently the listed "author" MADem Aug 2015 #175

I am very glad he lobbed a crippling blow to them before the election. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #169

Yea that's really going to pass in the house and senate. FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #172

And we're all going to die eventualy, so why bother with anything? Armstead Aug 2015 #189

Even if the bill passed (.0000001% chance), it would do nothing taught_me_patience Aug 2015 #178

Sure...Well then let's never try to fix anything. Armstead Aug 2015 #188

Um, the KOCH Brothers DON'T fund elections... brooklynite Aug 2015 #179

I assume you've never heard of steps and processes Armstead Aug 2015 #187

I have no objection to TRYING... brooklynite Aug 2015 #190

The steps and procrsses okasha Aug 2015 #237

Well one step to that is gatting rid of the corrupt congresscritters.. Armstead Aug 2015 #238

Maybe I'm dense but why would the Kochs be the virgogal Aug 2015 #202

The Koch's are Sanders' foil for everything BainsBane Aug 2015 #235