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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
59. A Clinton presidency, like a republican presidency, means business as usual.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:45 AM
Aug 2015

Wealthy private interests will continue to exploit human beings all over the world, and there will be little or no regulation of corporations as they continue to destroy our environment with impunity. Privatization will accelerate. Hillary will implement Third Way plans to cut social security and other social programs.

The polarization of wealth will continue to accelerate exponentially. Unions will continue to decline as more international trade agreements that enslave working people are put into effect. Drilling, mining, fracking, etc will continue unabated and unregulated, as poisons are released into our air, and get dumped into our water supply. The abuse of minorities will continue unobstructed. Private prisons will continue to expand. Defense spending will increase, as money for social programs and education decreases. Health insurance companies and health care providers will continue to jack up the prices of their services, rendering Obamacare basically useless to everyone but those on Medicaid.

And on, and on, and on. Oligarchy will expand and become more powerful. Business as usual.

Status quo.

With the candidacy of Bernie Sanders, we finally have the opportunity to elect a president who is not owned by wealthy private interests, who will make a genuine attempt to tackle the systemic problems in the political, economic, and social compartments of our society which desperately need to be addressed.

No President can solve all our myriad problems. Most of that depends on us. A Sanders presidency will give us some of the support we need to begin to solve the problems.

A Hillary Clinton presidency, like a republican presidency, will be nothing but business as usual, and the world will continue to go to hell in a hand basket as life becomes more and more hopeless for billions and billions of people of the earth, and future generations as well.

Why? leftofcool Aug 2015 #1
Good answer. tecelote Aug 2015 #2
Hillary 2016----Because you don't want things to change artislife Aug 2015 #65
Yes, Hillary because...... reasons. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #83
Hillary is the best money can buy left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #3
Not just superpacs. 840high Aug 2015 #98
Explain to me why Sanders is not status quo. Or O'Malley, Webb, etc. Recursion Aug 2015 #4
Good argument. Why upset the apple cart. It's hopeless. tecelote Aug 2015 #5
It's only "hopeless" if your idea of "victory" means ending drug prohibition in the next decade Recursion Aug 2015 #6
Some great and progressive advances have happened. I'm far from hopeless. tecelote Aug 2015 #7
Why do you think upsetting the apple cart will make things better? Recursion Aug 2015 #8
Yes. The apples are not for you. tecelote Aug 2015 #11
Speaking of not rocking the boat Android3.14 Aug 2015 #19
Perfect answer, you win the internets today. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #40
That's why I support O'Malley Recursion Aug 2015 #69
If the apples are on the ground druidity33 Aug 2015 #34
Why do you think that "upsetting the apple cart" Stevepol Aug 2015 #39
Because I live in India Recursion Aug 2015 #68
You can wield that rhetorical cudgel at any time until we are reduced to India's poverty. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #77
India is moving up faster than the US is moving down Recursion Aug 2015 #81
How do you expect to "upset the applecart" with the Presidency of the United States? treestar Aug 2015 #10
So, your argument is to keep the status quo? tecelote Aug 2015 #12
No. Straw man. treestar Aug 2015 #13
Straw man. tecelote Aug 2015 #14
Your OP is better? treestar Aug 2015 #16
Bernie recognizes this, that's why he has stated many times that he will need a Dustlawyer Aug 2015 #15
Very general treestar Aug 2015 #18
Creepy authoritarianism. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #20
The apple cart I want to see upset is the accceptance of bad GOP policy by Democrats Armstead Aug 2015 #21
+100%! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #61
You will not be able to elect enough Democrats who don't owe their Donors a quid pro quo. Dustlawyer Aug 2015 #24
Preserve order? Like FDR did? Like Johnson did? Like Lincoln did? How about Washington? A Simple Game Aug 2015 #42
FDR etc had a congress treestar Aug 2015 #45
They aren't convinced? Maybe that's why you talk to them and let them know why A Simple Game Aug 2015 #52
FDR did not always have a congress that agreed with him - but he had jwirr Aug 2015 #105
I know two Democratic presidents who "upset the applecart" at least to jwirr Aug 2015 #104
Why would you think Bernie would keep us at war? Ken Burch Aug 2015 #110
Because wars don't end unilaterally (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #111
They do if you just bring YOUR country's troops home. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #112
Which Sanders would not do Recursion Aug 2015 #113
Oh come on now...we aren't OBLIGATED to keep troops there forever. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #114
Of course she's status quo. That's the definition of Third Way. jalan48 Aug 2015 #9
Read her policy proposals. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #17
Maybe he should release policy proposals. Maybe he's shooting from the hip. tecelote Aug 2015 #22
How can one shake up the status quo without policy? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #28
This all may be true. tecelote Aug 2015 #32
And the national polls are strongly suggesting that ... DrBulldog Aug 2015 #23
Bernie doesn't have to catch lightning in a bottle! RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #38
the National polls ibegurpard Aug 2015 #53
This thread is, chock-a-block, full of rubbish arguments. longship Aug 2015 #25
That sounds like you will let the winning candidate decide what your political views are. -none Aug 2015 #31
What is the main problem with the country? longship Aug 2015 #33
Minutiae? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #48
Yes, minutia. longship Aug 2015 #60
What is sounds like is that we should accept the inevitable candidate jwirr Aug 2015 #106
No, I would be against that. longship Aug 2015 #115
You are correct in that one political party has gone off the deep end. -none Aug 2015 #58
You seem very good at lecturing us on how we should think and feel, Maedhros Aug 2015 #73
Well, since I am on ignore, I guess no substantive response is required. longship Aug 2015 #75
She is not status quo...she is regressive ibegurpard Aug 2015 #26
I want to support Hillary because I am afraid she is going to win the primaries. tecelote Aug 2015 #27
What privatization or safety nets? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #29
we have her support of welfare "reform" on record ibegurpard Aug 2015 #41
And we have Bernie's yes vote on 1994 crime bill. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #44
"work is preferable to welfare" ibegurpard Aug 2015 #50
Yeah, regulating Wall Street, college affordability, climate action, SonderWoman Aug 2015 #67
Work makes you free Fairgo Aug 2015 #107
Folks misuse "status quo" and have amnesia about the positive that has happened in the last 7 years? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #30
Are you talking about the massive redistribution ibegurpard Aug 2015 #46
Republicans are indeed dancing for joy in the streets and hailing a great leader, what Obama has done for them. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #47
Rockefeller Republicans are ibegurpard Aug 2015 #51
You mentioned something? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #54
yes ibegurpard Aug 2015 #55
Nope, nothing else in the armory..... Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #56
yep I figured ibegurpard Aug 2015 #70
Thanks for your replies in this thread. You're spot on all over the place! Nt. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #84
The status quo is white men Onlooker Aug 2015 #35
The "status quo" was a white person, being a man, and occupying the White House! Like, duh! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #49
The status quo is Corporations and the politicians they bribe. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #78
....x10 840high Aug 2015 #101
Your question is all the answer you needed MyNameGoesHere Aug 2015 #36
Hillary is not status quo RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #37
Status quo to the Third Wayers boils down to race and gender.. frylock Aug 2015 #85
Man DonaldChump Aug 2015 #116
Bigtime status quo SHRED Aug 2015 #43
Just how does tearing down a Democratic candidate raise another? longship Aug 2015 #63
It's the primaries SHRED Aug 2015 #71
That chart has no information whatsoever in it. longship Aug 2015 #87
Look again SHRED Aug 2015 #88
Yes, I saw that. longship Aug 2015 #94
How is posting the candidates past votes "tearing down a Democratic candidate"? frylock Aug 2015 #86
she's been terrible on H-1b visa and outsourcing of tech HFRN Aug 2015 #57
She is truly an enemy of the American worker jfern Aug 2015 #119
I don't think she views herself as an enemy of the American worker HFRN Aug 2015 #121
A Clinton presidency, like a republican presidency, means business as usual. Zorra Aug 2015 #59
+100%! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #66
Very well put. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #74
What you said. Perfect. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #79
+1000~! n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #89
Yep +1 840high Aug 2015 #102
+1 DonaldChump Aug 2015 #117
Right or wrong, the country is pretty much "status quo." That is why Sanders has little chance. Hoyt Aug 2015 #62
As a donor, I'm delighted to know that Clinton is beholden to me... brooklynite Aug 2015 #64
Status quo. Politics-as-usual. Establishment candidate. All seem to fit her. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #72
because she's actually worse than status quo? HFRN Aug 2015 #76
bingo ibegurpard Aug 2015 #100
Her supporters are overwhelmingly of the "economic conservative, socially liberal" variety. Romulox Aug 2015 #80
She is status quo, so no one can explain why she is not. So expect a lot of distractions from the sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #82
Every candidate this go around will be status quo. Unless you can provide me lists of GOP House stevenleser Aug 2015 #90
You're right. Why fight for anything then. tecelote Aug 2015 #91
Oh we're fighting for something. Preventing a Republican President from rolling back ACA, harming stevenleser Aug 2015 #92
I'm prepared to be disappointed. tecelote Aug 2015 #93
It's not going to happen now no matter which person is nominated. stevenleser Aug 2015 #95
I sure hope you're wrong. tecelote Aug 2015 #96
I'm not wrong. Check it out for yourself. We 'won' the popular vote in the House in 2012 and stevenleser Aug 2015 #97
You have a strong point and I see why you're skeptical. tecelote Aug 2015 #99
Can a multimillionaire really understand moondust Aug 2015 #103
Hillary will never get any vote from me. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #108
The current staus quo is a Democrat in the White House postatomic Aug 2015 #109
You're allowed to go back and edit your subject line, though. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #120
Lets see jfern Aug 2015 #118
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